Who says you cant get deported?

[OnMyWay]

31 minutes ago, Jack Peterson said:

So I see but in 2010 it was as 2008, Nonstop/Direct. Things change and when you have no need to check Flights it is in your head OH! but I have done that   

 

https://www.tripadvisor.com.ph/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k5392372-KLM_from_Manila_to_Amsterdam_No_Longer_Non_Stop-Air_Travel.html

No worries Jack!  I'm glad it came up as I might consider it for a Euro trip.  I would like to have the family see Keukenhof Gardens this time of year and it works with my daughter's school break.  So starting a driving trip in AMS would be great!  Tickets are a bit pricey though, but that can change.

I went to Keukenhof every year when I lived in Germany.  It is on my wife's bucket list and it should be on most people's bucket list.

https://keukenhof.nl/en/

[Dave Hounddriver]

3 hours ago, Jack Peterson said:

Quite correct, I have done it twice 

You say many go by Taipei, and indeed the flight you linked to (807 which your link says is direct from Amsterdam to Manila) actually goes via Taipei

Indeed, going to KLM's website and attempting to book a ticket shows a "direct" flight, until you read the fine print.  I cannot deny your personal experience, Jack, but I can show you where the booking says "direct" and then says it stops in Taipei.  Here is the screenshot.

Could it be they flew nonstop in the past but not any more?  Is there another link that shows a non-stop flight?  Direct means they use the same plane but it does not mean non-stop.  Anyway, its getting off topic.  Perhaps there is a non-stop flight and I just can't find the link for it.

 

EDIT:  Sorry if my reply is similar to what was being said in the previous couple of posts.  I must have been writing it down while others were posting.

 

Edited April 11, 2018 by Dave Hounddriver

[Gary D]

I looked at the website before I posted and it was London/Amsterdam/Manila. Perhaps they only count when you change planes. So would still work for a deportation as the deportee would not get off the plane or need to go ground side.

[Jollygoodfellow]

8 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

That means the Philippine government will have to extradite him to some other country.  What other country will take the Philippines "trash" tourists? 

I dont think that is correct as when flying you are in transit and do not leave the airport on stopovers so if he had a ticket with a change of plane somewhere he is not entering the country unless he went out of the airport and through immigration. 

[Dave Hounddriver]

50 minutes ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

I dont think that is correct as when flying you are in transit and do not leave the airport on stopovers so if he had a ticket with a change of plane somewhere he is not entering the country unless he went out of the airport and through immigration. 

I concede the point that transit visas are not required in Taiwan.     That is IF he chooses to stay in the transit area.  And IF he even has a passport.  IF he is an overstay in Philippines he may have also let his passport lapse.  How would we know?  And then what do they do?

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Transit passengers are not required visa as long as they stay at the transit area of the airport without entering Taiwan.

However,  it must depend on the country.  In the US, for example, a transit visa is required when:

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A foreign citizen traveling to another country who will have a brief layover in the United States when the only reason for entering the United States is to transit.

It is up to the airline to enforce the rule when flying over US airspace as Canadian planes often take circuitous routes to avoid US airspace when entering Vancouver with passengers who have no US transit visa.

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The US  has a no fly list; if your name is on that, you cannot board a flight that will pass through US airspace, even if the flight does not land in the US

All this is very interesting info and we shall have to keep track of what happens to our Dutch deportee.  Although I am on a low budget, if the Philippines can afford to (and actually does) pay for that man's plane fare back to Holland THEN I can afford to (and actually will) buy 2 beers each for all attending forum members (One time offer at a time and place of JGF's choosing subject to proof that the Philippines bought this bozo a plane ticket home).  I am that convinced, that no matter if it is possible, the Philippines are not buying this guy a plane ticket home.  So prove me wrong folks, and get free beer!  

 

Edited April 11, 2018 by Dave Hounddriver

[Jack Peterson]

2 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Perhaps there is a non-stop flight and I just can't find the link for it.

 Apparently not, All I can say is that in 2010 I flew from Schiphol(Amsterdam Direct) Things change over the years as I did in 2008 for my Wedding.

 I note that even the crews do not know why this stop has been forced on them in taiwan.

 I can say no more other than it is a shame as it is one Airline that got it right for me at the time  

[Jollygoodfellow]

20 minutes ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

I am that convinced, that no matter if it is possible, the Philippines are not buying this guy a plane ticket home.

Does it really matter who pays if the guys visa is cancelled or he is ordered out of the country he will still have to leave so call it deported such as escorted to the airport and forced on to a plane no matter who pays.

[Dave Hounddriver]

34 minutes ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

Does it really matter

Good question.

Edited out superfluous stuff . . 

IF he does go quietly, on his own ticket, and gets blacklisted, then its a case of brownout/blackout.  Different words, same result, doesn't really matter -  except I'm not buying the beers if he pays his own way 

Edited April 11, 2018 by Dave Hounddriver

[Jollygoodfellow]

1 hour ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Good question.

Edited out superfluous stuff . . 

IF he does go quietly, on his own ticket, and gets blacklisted, then its a case of brownout/blackout.  Different words, same result, doesn't really matter -  except I'm not buying the beers if he pays his own way 

The definition of Deport from a couple of sources.

To force someone to leave a country, especially someone who has no legal right to be there or who has broken the law:

to expel (an alien) from a country; banish.

to send or carry off; transport, especially forcibly:

But the definition does not say who has to pay for it.  

[virginprune]

I was deported from Antigua in 1987. My crime was not to have a valid ticket off the island, a requirement at that time. I was grassed up by my then ex, as she didn't want to see me again, it is a small island. The police informed me on the Thursday that I had to leave on the Friday flight or face prison. I managed to procure a ticket, the police escorted me to immigration where I was informed that I was not welcome back there for 5 years.

Basically I was blacklisted, temporarily, but still had to pay for my own way of travel.