Korean War Over

[Reboot]

I think a deal can be made with Kim. Unlike Hitler, he isn't a doctrinaire expansionist, and unlike Iran, he's basically motivated by rational self interest (rather than apocalyptic fundamentalism).

[Clermont]

Don't put your slingshots away just yet boys, announced today, Australia is sending more aircraft over to be based in Japan to monitor ship movement concerning NK. Personally, I don't think they trust his word or handshake, I don't know why, clean cut looking gent, and his boots were polished. No trust in the world nowadays. 

[Mick]

10 hours ago, Reboot said:

I think a deal can be made with Kim. Unlike Hitler, he isn't a doctrinaire expansionist, and unlike Iran, he's basically motivated by rational self interest (rather than apocalyptic fundamentalism).

Wow Where's my dictionary 

[Jake]

On 4/27/2018 at 6:37 PM, Reboot said:

I think a deal can be made with Kim. Unlike Hitler, he isn't a doctrinaire expansionist, and unlike Iran, he's basically motivated by rational self interest (rather than apocalyptic fundamentalism).

Yes, I agree that a deal can be made, signed, sealed and delivered.  However comma, due to Kimmy's past "agreements", he has the propensity to renege on the past, present and future deal(s).  Nonetheless, this could be an historical moment in our modern times.  The two leaders separated by the DMZ since the early 50's, are now face to face, shaking hands.  That is a great start.  But trust and verify should always be the SOP, especially being suspicious of national and foreign policies making headlines from daily tweets, which I might add, often times contradict themselves within 24 hrs of each other.   A simple question........is there is no such thing as Gentlemen's Handshake anymore?  

"Motivated by rational self interest"?  The quick and dirty argument against that is.......Kimmy is NOT rational.  Basically, all dictators are extremely paranoid, trusting no one.  Even within the most inner circles, everyone is out to save their own skin and will stab each other to blame mistakes or deflect suspicion.  A case in point -- Kimmy executed his own uncle and half brother just because he heard a plot to overthrow him.  And finally we seem to forget (conveniently) that his brainwashed people are either starving, held in prison work camps or paranoid of everything in their daily life.  And yet, they will cry tears of joy when they see their "Dear Leader".  We are talking about millions of people, right?  Remind me to never drink the Kool Aid from NK.  

But.........at the end of the day, salvation is upon us.  After all, our own dear leader just proclaim that Kimmy is a "very honorable man".  HUH???  

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by Jake

[Lou49]

Lets not forget he killed his brother.

[scott h]

5 minutes ago, Lou49 said:

Lets not forget he killed his brother

Frankly I really don't care if he killed his Aunt Tilly, or if he stays in power even. If peace is made, and some sort of economic reunification can be made and he either gets rid of, or tones down his nuke program and the economy improves so he will not be tempted to sell his nukes or nuke technology to support his regime, that's what I am really afraid of.

[OnMyWay]

5 hours ago, Jake said:

"Motivated by rational self interest"?  The quick and dirty argument against that is.......Kimmy is NOT rational. 

Agree that he is not rational.......

 

5 hours ago, Jake said:

"Motivated by rational self interest"? 

Perhaps the wording was not right, but the meaning might be "self-preservations"

 

6 minutes ago, scott h said:

If peace is made, and some sort of economic reunification

I really don't see how he can remain in the picture if any kind of reunification were to happen.  His record is just too crazy.

Let's hope that he has realized there was no future for him and he would be happy with a "Golden Parachute", living his last years in luxury away from the public eye.  We can dream, can't we??

[scott h]

2 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

I really don't see how he can remain in the picture

I can see this scenario: He agrees to stop his nuke and missile program (he wont get rid what he has, those are his ace cards) Agrees to inspections. Then lets foreign companies come in and use his people for to manufacture stuff. (basically slave labor). He will still maintain strict entry and exit controls on his people and foreigners.  Strict control of the media. But this will give him enough cash to support himself and his supporters

Reunification was a wrong term, lets say normalized relations.

If we keep in mind that even though folks around the world bleat and yell about human rights violations. As long as he gets rid of the nukes and the means to deliver them. He will be able to write his own ticket 

[Snowy79]

On 4/29/2018 at 8:38 AM, OnMyWay said:

Agree that he is not rational.......

 

Perhaps the wording was not right, but the meaning might be "self-preservations"

 

I really don't see how he can remain in the picture if any kind of reunification were to happen. 

I don't think there's any oil in North Korea so I can't see the USA pushing for a regime change. 

[Gary D]

Anyway it's the UN that he has to sign the peace treaty with not SK and if they did reunify once his people realise what they have been missing all of these year he likely to become a lamp post decoration.