Myth or fact on deportation

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2 hours ago, Clermont said:

Over time many have questioned deportation and blacklisting, it's real as below states. The PI's are in the modern era and that can only be good for expats.

1,500 Aliens denied entry from January to April
2018 May 16

Immigration Officers at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and other ports of entry turned back more than 1,500 foreigners during the first four months of the year due to the agency’s rigorous efforts to thwart the entry of undesirable aliens into the country. click here

thanks for this report clermont. its always good to see they are on the job in this respect. i wonder who pays the fare for those who only have one way tickets? PI  i suppose ? 

statistically i find it odd that no aussies or brits or canadians are in the mix, but pleased to see it.  it would be more helpful if the Americans would do the same diligence on their end prior to letting these unwanted visitors to even get on the plane in the 1st place . i dont know how many Americans arrive here yearly , but 72 seems like a rather big percentage of bad kanos imo. 

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47 minutes ago, lobojohn said:

thanks for this report clermont. its always good to see they are on the job in this respect. i wonder who pays the fare for those who only have one way tickets? PI  i suppose ? 

statistically i find it odd that no aussies or brits or canadians are in the mix, but pleased to see it.  it would be more helpful if the Americans would do the same diligence on their end prior to letting these unwanted visitors to even get on the plane in the 1st place . i dont know how many Americans arrive here yearly , but 72 seems like a rather big percentage of bad kanos imo. 

It does not say there were were no ausies, brits, or canadians in the mix - just not in the top few nationalities. 

Big percentage of Americans? Roughly 7 million US visitors annually divided by 3 (the stats are for the 1st 4 months of the year) = 2.3 million visitors. 72 / 2.3 million = 0.00003 or 0.003%

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4 hours ago, lobojohn said:

i wonder who pays the fare for those who only have one way tickets? PI

The airlines as its their responsibility to make sure you have an onward ticket before boarding. 

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I read statistics on 2017 deportations a few months back, but can't find it now. Anyway to put anyone on the right track, most countries are signatories of the Asia pack, this means that information on dubious traveler is forwarded to the country of entry. All your relevant information is linked to your passport and once you use the passport to exit the country, the country of entry determines whether you stay or not. This is why Western countries seem to be singled out and I was surprised at the amount of deportations of countries, not Americans, even my own country in the report. I did not include Asian countries because there has been a translation problem that has been used in the past to get them off the hook, not anymore. And yes, you can't get into the PI's without a return ticket on a tourist visa, the airline won't carry you.

36 minutes ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

The airlines as its their responsibility to make sure you have an onward ticket before boarding. 

 

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4 hours ago, lobojohn said:

thanks for this report clermont. its always good to see they are on the job in this respect. i wonder who pays the fare for those who only have one way tickets? PI  i suppose ? 

statistically i find it odd that no aussies or brits or canadians are in the mix, but pleased to see it.  it would be more helpful if the Americans would do the same diligence on their end prior to letting these unwanted visitors to even get on the plane in the 1st place . i dont know how many Americans arrive here yearly , but 72 seems like a rather big percentage of bad kanos imo. 

Where some undesirables are getting through, it is on old legal passports, countries of departure haven't got the relevant information so they can't let countries of entry know the holders history if needed. In a few years when their old passports need renewing, all will catch up to them. We've all winged about intrusive questions when renewing paperwork, I say, so be it.:56da64b51da2f_36_1_681:In the meantime let's enjoy, the BI are making headway and that can only be good for expats. :thumbsup:

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6 hours ago, AlwaysRt said:

It does not say there were were no ausies, brits, or canadians in the mix - just not in the top few nationalities. 

Big percentage of Americans? Roughly 7 million US visitors annually divided by 3 (the stats are for the 1st 4 months of the year) = 2.3 million visitors. 72 / 2.3 million = 0.00003 or 0.003%

Exactly right. If not mistaken, we, Americans, are the largest foreign nationality to visit here each year. 72 out that many is not bad at all but still is too bad there are a few bad eggs.

It should be noted here that our country does not control who leaves the US for travel nor do they have the right under the law to do so. Freedom of movement is guaranteed in the United States constitution and includes the freedom to leave if we choose to. On that same line, the US government has no right to know or even ask where we are going etc. We also have a right to privacy. Our laws and freedoms are good but at times there are those that will take advantage of a good thing.

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I witnessed a deportation several years ago at Manila Airport. 

I was at the gate, waiting to get on the plane to go back to the states and locals wearing black polo type shirts with immigration in white on the back had a Foreigner handcuffed. All where sitting a few rows ahead of me. It was bizarre that several other locals waiting for the same flight approached immigration, showed an Id and had conversations with them.  (I assumed they were asking why he was being deported). They escorted the foreigner on the plane & waited until it was ready to take off then they exited the plane & we took off. The guy was no longer handcuffed and appeared to be just another passenger on the flight back. 

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11 minutes ago, Nephi said:

It should be noted here that our country does not control who leaves the US for travel nor do they have the right under the law to do so. Freedom of movement is guaranteed in the United States constitution and includes the freedom to leave if we choose to

I dont know about other situations but when it comes to child support the US does control who can leave. Same in Australia.

Child Support Payments
If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport.

Pay your child support arrears to the appropriate state child support enforcement agency before applying for your passport.

Make arrangements to pay your child support arrears with the appropriate state child support enforcement agency.
The state agency reports to HHS that you've made acceptable payment arrangements.
HHS removes your name from their list and reports this to us. This may take 2-3 weeks.
We verify that HHS removed your name.
We process your application normally.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/legal-matters/child-support.html

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4 minutes ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

I dont know about other situations but when it comes to child support the US does control who can leave. Same in Australia.

Child Support Payments
If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport.

Pay your child support arrears to the appropriate state child support enforcement agency before applying for your passport.

Make arrangements to pay your child support arrears with the appropriate state child support enforcement agency.
The state agency reports to HHS that you've made acceptable payment arrangements.
HHS removes your name from their list and reports this to us. This may take 2-3 weeks.
We verify that HHS removed your name.
We process your application normally.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/legal-matters/child-support.html

Very true and if here or in any other country, one can not renew their passport being that far behind in child support and alimony as well. I think, if not mistaken, If a person is that far behind and tries to renew "inside" the embassy they will be arrested and sent home to face the charges.

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