Dave Hounddriver Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Here is a very interesting report listing countries by their average IQ level http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/average-iq-by-country/ It is very interesting to me, because most of Southeast Asia scores higher for average IQ than the countries we expats come from. I guess we are not so smart after all. However, with most of South East Asia scoring very high, the Philippines looks to be the lowest on the list. How can that be? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bastonjock Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 It goes to help proove what we have been telling our cousins across the waters that we brits are smarter Im.now going to my bomb shelter to hide before i get shot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffH Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said: However, with most of South East Asia scoring very high, the Philippines looks to be the lowest on the list. How can that be? There is some relation between IQ test results and English language skill and education level and places like Japan and Singapore have more easily available secondary education than the Philippines, I suspect that's a contributing factor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fillipino_wannabe Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Low infant mortality rate and iodine deficiency are supposed to be the biggest factors. China/Japan eat a lot of seaweed that has a lot more iodine in than anything else. US also got a lot of African Americans pulling their average down. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted October 19, 2019 Forum Support Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said: However, with most of South East Asia scoring very high, the Philippines looks to be the lowest on the list. How can that be? Schools here prepare the kids for life as adults in the Philippines. So they have lots and lots of days off. When they are in school much time is spent getting ready for holidays and Fiesta. The kids need to learn new dance routines, new songs, with a lot of practice time so they can sing and dance as a team. Since there are lots of holidays and Fiesta it just doesn't leave a lot of time for math, science, world events, etc. Maybe I exaggerate a bit, but unfortunately this is what I see here, at least in our area. Also I am a little suspicious of those China scores. Edited October 19, 2019 by Mike J 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack D Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 IQ tests 'do not reflect intelligence' "IQ tests are misleading because they do not accurately reflect intelligence, according to a study which found that a minimum of three different exams are needed to measure someone's brainpower.For more than a century our intelligence quotient (IQ) has been used to measure how clever people are and Mensa, the society for the intellectual elite, has even used the test to weed out sub-par applicants. But now the scale has been dismissed as a "myth" by scientists who found that our intelligence can only be predicted by combining results from at least three tests of our mental agility. Different circuits within the brain are used for different thought processes, the researchers showed, meaning separate tests of short-term memory, reasoning and verbal skills are needed to measure someone's overall intelligence. Their landmark study was based on the results of an online intelligence test which was launched by the Daily Telegraph and New Scientist two years ago, and attracted more than 110,000 responses. Dr Roger Highfield, the Telegraph columnist and one of the authors of the paper, said: "When you come to the most complex known object, the human brain, the idea that there is only one measure of intelligence had to be wrong." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9755929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyWay Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said: Here is a very interesting report listing countries by their average IQ level http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/average-iq-by-country/ It is very interesting to me, because most of Southeast Asia scores higher for average IQ than the countries we expats come from. I guess we are not so smart after all. However, with most of South East Asia scoring very high, the Philippines looks to be the lowest on the list. How can that be? I've seen these before and I wonder how they can get all these IQ scores and score a country? When was the last time you took an IQ test? An IQ test is quite a tedious and long exercise. Who takes them? Students? Adults? Expats? What ages? What is the sample size? How are the tests standardized across the globe to ensure fairness across language and cultural differences? How can Canada be higher than the U.S.? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gary D Posted October 20, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, OnMyWay said: How can Canada be higher than the U.S.? Because Canadians are closer to Brits than Yanks are. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyWay Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gary D said: Because Canadians are closer to Brits than Yanks are. No, they are closer to France and France is 98! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Popular Post Tommy T. Posted October 20, 2019 Forum Support Popular Post Posted October 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Mike J said: Schools here prepare the kids for life as adults in the Philippines. So they have lots and lots of days off. When they are in school much time is spent getting ready for holidays and Fiesta. The kids need to learn new dance routines, new songs, with a lot of practice time so they can sing and dance as a team. Since there are lots of holidays and Fiesta it just doesn't leave a lot of time for math, science, world events, etc. Maybe I exaggerate a bit, but unfortunately this is what I see here, at least in our area. Also I am a little suspicious of those China scores. 39 minutes ago, Jack D said: IQ tests 'do not reflect intelligence' "IQ tests are misleading because they do not accurately reflect intelligence, according to a study which found that a minimum of three different exams are needed to measure someone's brainpower.For more than a century our intelligence quotient (IQ) has been used to measure how clever people are and Mensa, the society for the intellectual elite, has even used the test to weed out sub-par applicants. But now the scale has been dismissed as a "myth" by scientists who found that our intelligence can only be predicted by combining results from at least three tests of our mental agility. Different circuits within the brain are used for different thought processes, the researchers showed, meaning separate tests of short-term memory, reasoning and verbal skills are needed to measure someone's overall intelligence. Their landmark study was based on the results of an online intelligence test which was launched by the Daily Telegraph and New Scientist two years ago, and attracted more than 110,000 responses. Dr Roger Highfield, the Telegraph columnist and one of the authors of the paper, said: "When you come to the most complex known object, the human brain, the idea that there is only one measure of intelligence had to be wrong." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9755929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html 3 minutes ago, OnMyWay said: I've seen these before and I wonder how they can get all these IQ scores and score a country? When was the last time you took an IQ test? An IQ test is quite a tedious and long exercise. Who takes them? Students? Adults? Expats? What ages? What is the sample size? How are the tests standardized across the globe to ensure fairness across language and cultural differences? How can Canada be higher than the U.S.? You all make some very interesting points regarding IQ tests. I am not sure if I can agree with all of them. However, here are my comments: I think IQ tests are very subjective and not always a valid indicator of "intelligence" as many of us might think. L, for instance, is a school teacher. She teaches MAPEH (music, art, physical education, health). She is very wise and informed on her expertise. With geography (my expertise), math, science... she is totally lost. I believe it is because she was never educated in those fields - sort of like what Mike says - the kids here are mostly taught how to sing, dance and celebrate fiestas, etc.... But then, those are the primary parts of life experience here for so many Filipinos, right? Virtually no Filipino knows anything about where USA or Europe are located or anything about the north or south pole or even the cardinal directions N, S, E, W.... These things are not especially important to them so they are not taught here. I think it is a shame, but it will not change. L can speak fluently in at least 7 languages, including English. No way I could ever do that. I can speak German, a bit of French and Spanish and swear in Samoan and Fijian... and that's about it. L is also very bright when it comes to building construction as she participated in the design and build of her original home. She might do terrible in an IQ test, yet she is extremely bright and can outshine me in several ways with her knowledge. Yet, ask here a "simple" math question and she is totally lost... Much of her life and experience is caught up with relatives and friends (unfortunately also with FaceBook). She is curious about science - and I teach her about it, as much as I can. There are Filipino doctors, nurses, scientists, etc. who do brilliant work here and overseas. As previously stated, language plays a big part in tests of that nature. So imagine an IQ test geared toward language and culture. I wonder how Americans might fare with that? I have met brilliant people from so many countries, including the Philippines. I have also met some complete idiots (myself possibly included?) from these same countries - people who could not find their way to a door in an empty room... So my conclusion, after rambling on for a while...sorry... would be that IQ tests should be perhaps created and administered in each country and language in order to possibly provide legitimate comparisons? I am not sure that it would even be possible. Which brings me back to my original premise - that I believe IQ tests are helpful in evaluating intelligence, perhaps, but they are also very subjective based on culture and location... Such is my opinion, right or wrong... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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