CHAOS with finger on the TRIGGER

[Jake]

Chaos in the Skies

I've been monitoring the bubble above South China Sea. In the most recent developments, the chaos above the Straits of Taiwan. Only about 100 miles wide and 300 miles long where the "Big Stick" (USS ROOSEVELT) carrier group is currently exercising the freedom of navigation.  About twice a month, a US warship would transit through.  I believe HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH and her escorts are patrolling that area too.  

I didn't realize our fellow Asian Pacific warriors also have a formidable military. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and Australia -- all are highly motivated to get the dragon off their backyard.  This F-16 Viper is driven by a Taiwanese pilot. You think he's ready to get some?

[Tommy T.]

17 minutes ago, Jake said:

Chaos in the Skies

 

Yeah... and even more so on the seas, I fear, Jake. Look at the SCS buildups on disputed islands where nobody has tried to slow them down or stop them?

And I also think it may only be a matter of time before the s*** hits the fan somewhere. The Chinese continue to be pushier and pushier worldwide on their apparent domination agenda. They continue to construct, test and deploy more military hardware and personnel. And, it appears that most countries are afraid to push back too hard or too far because they don't want to be crushed or even attacked. Of course, in any situation, the Chinese will be totally blameless since they are just exercising their natural rights...just ask them.

And, as usual, I don't have the (or "any") real answer. But I am liking the attitude of U.S. and Taiwan, especially, about not giving way...

Edited February 1, 2021 by Tommy T.

[Jake]

The Chinese has probed and penetrated the 50 yard line so many times, claiming Taiwan is rightfully theirs. All it takes is one itchy finger (fox 1) or one "unmarked mine" to ignite the bubble. There's goes Walmart.  And the rest of the global economy.

[jimeve]

1 hour ago, Jake said:

The Chinese has probed and penetrated the 50 yard line so many times, claiming Taiwan is rightfully theirs. All it takes is one itchy finger (fox 1) or one "unmarked mine" to ignite the bubble. There's goes Walmart.  And the rest of the global economy.

I heard on the news that USA will back up the Philippines against the Chinese, not got a link for this.

[Yeochief]

Ballistic missile submarines!

[Tommy T.]

46 minutes ago, jimeve said:

I heard on the news that USA will back up the Philippines against the Chinese, not got a link for this.

No need for link on this one, I think, Jim. I have seen reports in many places about this. A US rep was here - sec of state or ambassador? - telling the Filipinos here exactly that. Let's all hope it doesn't come to that!

[Jake]

1 hour ago, Yeochief said:

Ballistic missile submarines!

Damn right YNC!  You guys can expend all your ordinance and be home in time for super.  I'm talking about the modified Ohio class, the SSGN with conventional warheads and a couple platoons of navy seals.  I'm also very impressed with the other navies and their very quiet killer subs.  Look at the Japanese and South Korean subs.  Most are very modern with an attitude of a samurai warrior.  

[Yeochief]

1. North Korea.
2. United States.
3. China.
4. Russia.
5. Iran.
6. Japan.
7. India.
8. South Korea.
9. Turkey.
10. Columbia.

Top 10 Countries with Most Submarines in the World 

[jimeve]

4 hours ago, Yeochief said:

1. North Korea.
2. United States.
3. China.
4. Russia.
5. Iran.
6. Japan.
7. India.
8. South Korea.
9. Turkey.
10. Columbia.

Top 10 Countries with Most Submarines in the World 

They are not all ballistic missile submarines.

All the Nuclear Missile Submarines in the World in One Chart

[Snowy79]

 

6 hours ago, Jake said:

Damn right YNC!  You guys can expend all your ordinance and be home in time for super.  I'm talking about the modified Ohio class, the SSGN with conventional warheads and a couple platoons of navy seals.  I'm also very impressed with the other navies and their very quiet killer subs.  Look at the Japanese and South Korean subs.  Most are very modern with an attitude of a samurai warrior.  

I think the days of the stealth submarines are long gone with today's technology.  There's been a lot of money spent mapping the ocean and it's magnetic fields.  Many countries have littered the ocean with magnetic anomoly detectors and satellites can penetrate the ocean down to about 70m if my mind corrects me.  The maximum depth a submarine would need to be to launch is about 50m.  

I'm pretty sure once they launched their general area will be hit within the hour, the shockwaves underwater will turn all crew to mush. Add to this there's already proven anti ballistic missile systems capable of shooting down nuclear warheads.  My fear is the likes of Taiwan would be invaded or wiped out before anyone retaliated and by then it would be too late and maybe not worth starting a World war over.