Are they nuts?

[hk blues]

31 minutes ago, Snowy79 said:

Again down to political interference. When you have Government scientists saying one thing then getting pulled in for a brief with politicians then coming out with something else you know they are being leaned on. 

Medical experts should publicly announce their intentions after being peer reviewed then the politicians and civil servants should provide the funding and organisation to make it happen.

As it is we are seeing politicians doing the opposites of each other just to prove the opposition wrong.  The US with their different State Health boards and the UK with Westminster and Scotland with the SNP. Here we have the palace say one thing, the Generals something else and the LGU tossing a coin in the air.

I thought you were suggesting leaving it all to the medical experts rather than what you are saying above, maybe I misunderstood. Regardless, the medical experts are not required to look at the bigger picture i.e. they don't need to consider the economic impact of their suggestions for a start.  I think it's almost inevitable that there will be a difference of opinion on strategy, extent of measures etc but ultimately we elected our government to run the country, not the medical experts.  And, even the medical experts have wildly differing opinions.  

[RBM]

On 6/2/2021 at 9:48 AM, Snowy79 said:

A prime example of why politicians shouldn't be in charge of this pandemic. 

Or Ex Generals.....

[Jollygoodfellow]

On 6/2/2021 at 5:32 PM, Shady said:

None are accountable, and their agenda is more about controlling the people than serving them. The CDC, the WHO, the medical "experts" and NGOs, all of them are funded by Bill Gates and other World Bank globalists, it's no coincidence that these "experts" all dismissed the lab leak theory:

 

Yep I read that big increase in the world is flat groups and similar. 

Honestly I am so tired of all this. Let's bring back the Trump defeated election for arguments sake. 

Obviously Bill planed this for many years, at his age and small wealth what else can you do but go on a pension. 

[Mike J]

12 minutes ago, Shady said:

Actually...Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO, the CDC, the CIA, and other non-elected elite ran a scenario for a global Coronavirus Pandemic in 2019   

So you think the world would be a better place if we did not try to plan for disasters? 

Below is the article which you did not post in accordance with forum rules.

Spoiler

 

Kirsten Salyer, Public Engagement, Tel.: +41 79 265 8773; Email: kirsten.salyer@weforum.org

The world has seen a growing number of epidemic events, amounting to about 200 per year
Pandemics could cause average annual economic losses of 0.7% of global GDP
Event 201 exercise will bring together public and private leaders to inform multistakeholder cooperation for pandemic preparedness and response
Follow the live virtual exercise from 08.50 - 12.30 EDT here
Geneva, Switzerland, 15 October 2019 – The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation will host Event 201: a high-level simulation exercise for pandemic preparedness and response, in New York, USA, on Friday 18 October, 08.45 - 12.30 EDT.

The exercise will bring together business, government, security and public health leaders to address a hypothetical global pandemic scenario. It will also feature a live virtual experience from 08.50 – 12.30 EDT to engage stakeholders worldwide and members of the public in a meaningful conversation of difficult high-level policy choices that could arise in the midst of a severe pandemic.

The world has seen a growing number of epidemics in recent years, with about 200 events annually including Ebola, Zika, MERS and SARS. At the same time, collective vulnerability to the social and economic impacts of infectious disease crises appears to be increasing. Experts suggest there is a growing likelihood of one of these events becoming a global threat – or an “event 201” pandemic – that would pose disruptions to health and society and cause average annual economic losses of 0.7% global GDP, similar in scale to climate change.

"We are in a new era of epidemic risk, where essential public-private cooperation remains challenged, despite being necessary to mitigate risk and impact” said Arnaud Bernaert, Head of Shaping the Future of Health and Health Care, World Economic Forum. “Now is the time to scale up cooperation between national governments, key international institutions and critical industries, to enhance global capacity for preparedness and response.”

The International Health Regulations (IHR) that unite 196 countries across the globe in a legal commitment to prevent and respond to acute public health risks, prioritize both minimizing public health risks and avoiding unnecessary interference with international traffic and trade. Minimizing the economic impact of epidemics also represents an opportunity to build core capacities to prevent, detect, and respond to outbreaks generally.

"We live in an increasingly interconnected world, and we must help all UN member states align with the International Health Regulations and be prepared to prevent, detect, and respond to acute outbreaks,” said Chris Elias, President of Global Development at the Gates Foundation. “If we fail to do so, the world will be unprepared for the next pandemic."

"In this new era of extreme pandemic threat, public-private cooperation is essential for an effective response,” said Tom Inglesby, Director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “While governments and public health systems are already strained due to the increase in dangerous outbreaks, experts agree that a severe, fast-spreading human-to-human pandemic incident could happen at any time. We believe this well-crafted and thorough realistic tabletop exercise will provide leaders with a deeper understanding of the impact of epidemics on their communities and inspire them to take important steps to advance prevention and response.”

The participants in the live simulation represent a range of backgrounds and industries and include:

Latoya Abbott, Risk Management/Global Senior Director Occupational Health Services, Marriott International
Stan Bergman, Chairman and CEO, Henry Schein
Sofia Borges, Senior Vice President, UN Foundation
Chris Elias, President, Global Development division, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Tim Evans, Former Senior Director of Health, World Bank Group
George Gao, Director-General, Chinese Center for Disease Control
Avril Haines, Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Jane Halton, Board member, ANZ Bank; Former Secretary of Finance and Former Secretary of Health, Australia
Matthew Harrington, Global President and Chief Operations Officer, Edelman
Chikwe Ihekweazu, Director General, Nigeria Centre for Disease Control
Martin Knuchel, Head of Crisis, Emergency and Business Continuity Management, Lufthansa Group Airlines
Eduardo Martinez, President, The UPS Foundation
Stephen Redd, Deputy Director for Public Health Service and Implementation Science, US CDC
Paul Stoffels, M.D., Vice Chair of the Executive Committee and Chief Scientific Officer, Johnson & Johnson
Hasti Taghi, Vice President and Executive Advisor, NBCUniversal Media
Lavan Thiru, Chief Representative, Monetary Authority of Singapore
Similar high-level pandemic exercises designed to address difficult policy issues have included: Dark Winter, examining the challenges of a biological attack on the US; Atlantic Storm, asking NATO leaders to respond collaboratively to a bioterrorist attack: and most recently, Clade X, calling on US government leaders to make difficult national security and public health decisions in the face of a rapidly evolving global crisis.

In addition, Bill Gates co-chaired a simulation at the Forum’s Annual Meeting 2017, resulting in the creation of the Epidemics Readiness Accelerator, a public-private platform to address effective readiness in issues including travel and tourism, supply chain and logistics, legal and regulatory, communications and data innovations.

Notes to editors

Learn more about the exercise here and follow the exercise at #Event201 and @JHSPH_CHS, @wef and @gatesfoundation

Join the live virtual experience and register at http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Learn more about the Forum’s Epidemics Readiness Accelerator here

Read the Forum’s report “Outbreak Readiness and Business Impact” here

Read about the Transformation of Biological Risk in the Forum’s 2019 Global Risk Report here

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The World Economic Forum, committed to improving the state of the world, is the International Organization for Public-Private Cooperation. The Forum engages the foremost political, business and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Mike J

[BC57]

On 6/1/2021 at 10:39 PM, OnMyWay said:

That is as polite as I can say it.

SBMA put out a notice, based on IATF Res. 118, that NCR Plus are now allowed to come to Subic (and other MGCQ areas), regardless of age.  However, if you are under 18 or over 65, you require a swab test.  So if you are 18-65, the main age group getting and spreading Covid, no test required.  Philippines still has 5-10 k cases a day, most in NCR Plus.

If this is not a typo, it would appear the IATF is trying to spread Covid, not contain it.

8. Point-to-Point travel from NCR Plus to areas under Modified General
Community Quarantine shall be allowed without age restrictions
subject to an RT-PCR test-before-travel requirement for those below
eighteen year olds (18) and above sixty-five (65), and other protocols
and restrictions as may be imposed by the DOT and the Local
Government Unit of destination.

https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/downloads/2021/05may/20210531-IATF-RESO-118-A-RRD.pdf

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This is why the PH has failed with reducing covid cases. The group getting the most cases are allowed to do anything. The PH never learns from their mistakes.

 

[Mike J]

3 minutes ago, BC57 said:

This is why the PH has failed with reducing covid cases. The group getting the most cases are allowed to do anything. The PH never learns from their mistakes.

Agree, it does not make sense unless the intent was inadvertently scrambled when it was written.  That can be a problem when English is a second language.

[OnMyWay]

3 hours ago, Mike J said:

Agree, it does not make sense unless the intent was inadvertently scrambled when it was written.  That can be a problem when English is a second language.

It has been verified as "accurate" as written.

Here is another document put out by SBMA this morning.  The residents have been discussing this with her (the publisher is the PR person for SBMA) for a few days now and had many questions.  She should have a list of questions to be answered and she did not cover many here.  I don't know is she is being deliberately vague or if she just does not have the skills to do the job.

[Mike J]

1 hour ago, OnMyWay said:

I don't know is she is being deliberately vague or if she just does not have the skills to do the job.

Perhaps both? 

[Shady]

8 hours ago, Mike J said:

So you think the world would be a better place if we did not try to plan for disasters?

So you think the world is a better place today because of "the plan"?

 

[Mike J]

16 hours ago, Shady said:

So you think the world is a better place today because of "the plan"?

 

I think some nations did a much better job than others and I expect it was because they had some sort of disaster plan in place and followed it.  Other nations either had no plan, failed to follow the plan, or simple tried to tell the voters "no big deal, it will just go away on its own".   We see how that last choice worked out.