RBM Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 5 hours ago, earthdome said: Another thing is that there are many things you can do to boost your immune system, Vit C, Vit D3, quercetin with zinc, excercise, diet, etc. The major media in the US never mentioned anything about what you could do to boost your immune system or improve your health to help you fight off COVID-19. Not sure Greg Norman would agree with the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, RBM said: Not sure Greg Norman would agree with the above. Who is Greg Norman and why would I care what he/she/they think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clermont Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, earthdome said: Who is Greg Norman Gee everyone knows who Greg Norman is; he is an Australian legend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted August 28, 2021 Author Forum Support Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, earthdome said: Who is Greg Norman and why would I care what he/she/they think? <snip> Gregory John Norman AO is an Australian entrepreneur and retired professional golfer who spent 331 weeks as the world's Number 1 Official World Golf Rankings ranked golfer in the 1980s and 1990s <end snip> Better physical shape than probably 90% of men even though he is in his mid 60s. Hospitalized twice with covid that he says; "kicked the crap out of me". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy79 Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 12 hours ago, earthdome said: My understanding was that in order for the vaccines to get an emergency use authorizations from the FDA it was dependent on there not being any safe and effective treatment. One more reason for those who profit from big pharma to discourage testing and research of off label treatment using low cost generic drugs. Another thing is that there are many things you can do to boost your immune system, Vit C, Vit D3, quercetin with zinc, excercise, diet, etc. The major media in the US never mentioned anything about what you could do to boost your immune system or improve your health to help you fight off COVID-19. Unfortunately it's got nothing to do with a healthy immune system more to do with an immune system that recognises the virus and attacks it. Current studies have shown few people have a natural immunity to covid. The lucky ones have had a low dose of the virus which has allowed some to built up immunity but ultimately if you catch a large viral load it will overcome your immune system as has been shown by young otherwise healthy individuals that have died. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Snowy79 said: Unfortunately it's got nothing to do with a healthy immune system more to do with an immune system that recognises the virus and attacks it. Current studies have shown few people have a natural immunity to covid. The lucky ones have had a low dose of the virus which has allowed some to built up immunity but ultimately if you catch a large viral load it will overcome your immune system as has been shown by young otherwise healthy individuals that have died. Great. So it doesn't matter if you are a couch potato eating Krispy Creme donuts all day, weigh 600lbs with diabeties and are a heavy smoker. Your chances are the same as the trim smoke free athlete who spends time in the outdoors? Rubbish. A healthy immune system and being healthy in general is a much better place to start from and greatly improves your chances of survival. Why is it that the elderly are more likely to succumb to COVID. Because the elderly have more comorbidities with weakened immune systems. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffH Posted August 28, 2021 Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, earthdome said: Great. So it doesn't matter if you are a couch potato eating Krispy Creme donuts all day, weigh 600lbs with diabeties and are a heavy smoker. Your chances are the same as the trim smoke free athlete who spends time in the outdoors? Rubbish. Nobody is saying that, what they're saying is that the 'initial amount' of Covid that you body is exposed to effects the time that one's immune system has to respond before the virus swamps the immune system. The virus grows in our bodies at an exponential rate and starting with a high number of viral particles reduces the time that it takes for the virus to reach numbers which seriously impact ones health. Some experts suggest this is why healthy (but unvaccinated during the first wave) younger front line medical staff were dying from Covid in disparate numbers despite having no health issues or comorbidities and being younger. ie to say because they were working around many Covid positive patients and were exposed to high levels of ambient Covid. So they got a higher 'dose' of Covid and their bodies had less time to fight the disease by developing antibodies and other responses. So they had worse outcomes. Simply having more days gives ones body more time to recognize the virus and create a sufficient immune response. That's also why the vaccine helps, it trains ones immune system to recognize the virus and it starts making antibodies and initiating other responses without the delay that an unvaccinated persons body has. It also explains why masking is useful, they reduce the amount of airbourne virus carrying particles that infected people spread into the surrounding air because some is caught on the mask interiour. And it explains why social distancing is useful, some of the airbourne virus carrying particles that we breath out are larger and fall to the ground over a short distance (not all but some). And yes various comorbidities are associated with poorer outcomes when infected with Covid, including obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes and others. However comparing like with like a fully vaccinated person with those comorbidities is much less likely to experience serious diesease than an unvaccinated person is. Edited August 28, 2021 by GeoffH 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBM Posted August 29, 2021 Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 8:19 AM, earthdome said: Who is Greg Norman and why would I care what he/she/they think? I fail to see where I indicated if you care or not, its quite irreverent to me what you care. But as everyone (except yourself) appears to know who and what Greg Norman is, point is although being in top shape one would presume does help against covid its not always the case as Mike j correctly posted about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy79 Posted August 29, 2021 Posted August 29, 2021 9 hours ago, earthdome said: Great. So it doesn't matter if you are a couch potato eating Krispy Creme donuts all day, weigh 600lbs with diabeties and are a heavy smoker. Your chances are the same as the trim smoke free athlete who spends time in the outdoors? Rubbish. A healthy immune system and being healthy in general is a much better place to start from and greatly improves your chances of survival. Why is it that the elderly are more likely to succumb to COVID. Because the elderly have more comorbidities with weakened immune systems. GeoffH explains it in detail. If you have underlying health conditions and are old it's well known that you will not have as good an immune system as a younger person with no issues but it's down to viral load not immunity. Think of it like holding your breath underwater. Some can last 20 seconds, some a few minutes but no one will last ten minutes. Similar with covid, an obese person with poor immunity might be able still to handle the virus but someone with a great immune system getting a higher load could go into a Cytokene storm where the immune system is overactive. This was one of the major killers at the start of covid and why so many young and healthy died. Their own immune system effectively overloaded the bodies main organs leading to death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted August 29, 2021 Posted August 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, Snowy79 said: GeoffH explains it in detail. If you have underlying health conditions and are old it's well known that you will not have as good an immune system as a younger person with no issues but it's down to viral load not immunity. Think of it like holding your breath underwater. Some can last 20 seconds, some a few minutes but no one will last ten minutes. Similar with covid, an obese person with poor immunity might be able still to handle the virus but someone with a great immune system getting a higher load could go into a Cytokene storm where the immune system is overactive. This was one of the major killers at the start of covid and why so many young and healthy died. Their own immune system effectively overloaded the bodies main organs leading to death. I must respectfully differ. The statistics definitively show that the elderly and those with comorbidities like obesity and diabetes have a much greater risk of death than those who are younger and healthier. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-who-is-at-risk/art-20483301 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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