Europe Excess Mortality

[hk blues]

14 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

They didn't write it well, but I interpret it as the short term covid restrictions contributed to the current upward trend in obesity.

I would agree that as a snapshot it's probably valid but I wouldn't be surprised if the trend is normalised or even reversed in the fullness of time.   

[Snowy79]

19 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Interesting article:

How Warren Buffett and Bill Gates Make a Killing Off the Childhood Obesity Epidemic

Warren Buffett’s vertically integrated investments in the production of high fructose corn syrup — a key ingredient in highly processed foods and contributor to obesity in kids — generates massive profits for himself and Bill Gates.

By 

Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.

 

 

 

 

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Childhood obesity rates could double among boys and increase by 125% among girls by 2035, according to a new global report by the World Obesity Federation.

In the U.S., childhood obesity rates tripled in the past three decades, increasing kids’ risks of diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other chronic illnesses.

More ......

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bill_gates_warren_buffett_obesity_corn_syrup/

 

Not sticking up for billionaires but when you have invesments in thousands of companies, many you are even unaware of as run by project managers and highly paid accountants it's easy for the mainstream media to paint any picture of someone they want. 

I'm sure making a few million profit here and there won't make much of a difference when both of them donate hundreds of millions of dollars to charity.  Warren Buffet is worth over $79bn and still lives in the house he bought for $31,500 in the 50s.

Ultimately it's up to education by parents and individuals or every single person would be clinically obese. 

[OnMyWay]

On 3/6/2023 at 3:06 AM, Dave Hounddriver said:

"Europe" Excess Mortality, but they list 31 countries when there are 44 countries in Europe.  Perhaps they mean EU Excess Mortality but its hard to trust an article that cannot even get the title right.

Another graph of OECD countries.

[Snowy79]

23 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

Another graph of OECD countries.

Probably better information here although you may need to search elsewhere for excess deaths by vaccination status. There's plenty on the web and I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that ratio wise the vaccinated come out better. 

https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676#

 

 

[OnMyWay]

8 hours ago, Snowy79 said:

Probably better information here although you may need to search elsewhere for excess deaths by vaccination status. There's plenty on the web and I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that ratio wise the vaccinated come out better. 

https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676#

 

 

It appears that the graph came from OECD data, so that data link you posted is probably the source, thus would be the same.

Excess deaths by vaccination status?  Doesn't make sense so I don't think it exists.  The baseline for excess deaths is average total deaths over time and you don't have vaccinated or unvaccinated deaths for a baseline.

[Snowy79]

6 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

It appears that the graph came from OECD data, so that data link you posted is probably the source, thus would be the same.

Excess deaths by vaccination status?  Doesn't make sense so I don't think it exists.  The baseline for excess deaths is average total deaths over time and you don't have vaccinated or unvaccinated deaths for a baseline.

There are multiple peer reviewed studies on excess deaths and all cause mortality by vaccination status, obviously there's a lot of influences like availability to health care and screening but as usual the vaccinated still come out best overall regardless. 

https://pandem-ic.com/excess-mortality-and-vaccination/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsduetocovid19covid19vaccineinjuryandexcessdeathsbyvaccinationstatus

[Mike J]

10 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Excess deaths by vaccination status?  Doesn't make sense so I don't think it exists.

It makes a lot of sense to me and appreciate @Snowy79for providing info..

 

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[Snowy79]

38 minutes ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

Good topic to remind members to copy and paste as plain text where possible. This will eliminate links in posts that we are not here to share or boost other websites. 

My apologies but some of these links run into twenty plus pages and charts. 

[OnMyWay]

8 hours ago, Snowy79 said:

There are multiple peer reviewed studies on excess deaths and all cause mortality by vaccination status, obviously there's a lot of influences like availability to health care and screening but as usual the vaccinated still come out best overall regardless. 

https://pandem-ic.com/excess-mortality-and-vaccination/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsduetocovid19covid19vaccineinjuryandexcessdeathsbyvaccinationstatus

I'm not making an argument for or against vaccines.   The topic was excess deaths and it seems Sweden has done better than others with their overall strategy, based on excess deaths.  I just looked and I think Sweden is about 75% vaccinated.

In the first link you gave, they are trying to use excess deaths in another manner that does not jive with how most excess deaths analysis is done.  As their baseline excess deaths, they use the previous rolling 3 months average excess deaths.  So that includes months where covid was already happening.  There may be some value in the analysis but it is not the normal excess deaths usage.

US CDC and the UK link you provided use the previous 5-6 years as a baseline.  Your second link mentions excess deaths in the title, but those are questions they are answering.  Their answer is similar to what I said:

To calculate excess deaths in a particular year, the data from that year must be compared to the 5-year average. As the first vaccination was administered on 8 December 2020, we do not hold 5 years-worth of information to compare to 2022 deaths by vaccination status data to provide an 'excess deaths' figure. This is the reason that the information you requested regarding excess deaths by vaccination status is not held.

Within that article there is another link:

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2022/01/12/understanding-excess-deaths-during-a-pandemic/

with good info on excess deaths methodology.

For excess deaths, we compare numbers and rates to a five-year average; this ensures that we are comparing like for like in terms of life expectancy, advances in healthcare, population size and age structure. Averaging over five years removes the fluctuations seen year-on-year. Usually we use the most recent five years, for example we compared deaths in 2020 with the five-year average for 2015 to 2019.

When looking at deaths in 2021 we used the five-year average for 2015 to 2019 again (rather than 2016 to 2020) because of the impact of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic on deaths registered in 2020. The average for 2015 to 2019 provides a comparison with the number of deaths expected in a normal (non-pandemic) year; an average of 2016 to 2020 would not have been helpful as a comparison.

I have mainly used CDC excess deaths:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

There is another graph that includes Covid deaths on it, I think, but it does not seem to be working right now.  There are a lot of stats on cause of death too.