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Nationalistic, intolerable Filipinos.

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I somewhat understand the Pinoy Pride Philippines thing. It's OK even encouraged that Filipinos will disparage Philippines or other Filipinos acting badly but God help any Expat that even slightly suggests the same.

My wife identifies as Filipino, Philippines is home. As a dual US - Philippines citizen she can get all wound up if someone disrespects the US. We talk freely but she is unable to explain her intolerance to other ideas even if they are reasonable. So for her it's not just Philippines it's also the US. Just what is this all about? How do your significant other feel in this regard?

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18 minutes ago, Old55 said:

I somewhat understand the Pinoy Pride Philippines thing. It's OK even encouraged that Filipinos will disparage Philippines or other Filipinos acting badly but God help any Expat that even slightly suggests the same.

My wife identifies as Filipino, Philippines is home. As a dual US - Philippines citizen she can get all wound up if someone disrespects the US. We talk freely but she is unable to explain her intolerance to other ideas even if they are reasonable. So for her it's not just Philippines it's also the US. Just what is this all about? How do your significant other feel in this regard?

My wife has lived in the US for 3 years now. It will be interesting to see how she is when we return to live there in a few years.

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I happily volunteered for military service, I tear up when I hear the national anthem, but I never understood nationalism. Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in. It is part of the a new push we have seen worldwide, to slow down progress, and keep people distrustful of each other. It is certainly not new, but a new resurgence.

I am a white male, born in the US (Texas), I have beautiful green eyes, and a lovely long nose... I can be happy about some, or all, of that, but not proud. They are accidents of birth. I had nothing to do with it. A lot of the national pride smells of low self esteem. I have done things that I am personally proud of - but to just be proud of an accident of birth seems like you have nothing else to be proud of. 

 As foreigners we see it more here in the PIs than back in the old country. I cannot speak for other countries but we have it just as bad in the US.  I heard "if you don't like it go home" said towards foreigners (or perceived foreigners) all the time in the US.Many people will vehemently swear that the US is #1 in all things - but have never traveled outside the country to make any actual comparisons.  National pride is an ugly thing.

My wife does not seem to have it as much as some others I have seen. But when a Filipina wins a beauty pageant she is happy.  I think because she has no interest in politics or social affairs (but loves her telenovelas ha ha). She is more concerned with day to day survival.  National/international events are out of her realm of responsibility, so are not in her realm of interests.

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37 minutes ago, Tukaram (Tim) said:

National pride is an ugly thing.

I found a quote online that sums up my opinion on this quite well so I will use their words:

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Patriotism is devotion to one's country; it is closely linked to nationalism. While patriotism mean loving your country while acknowledging its deficiencies, nationalism is blind love for a country - and the denial of its imperfections.

So, IMHO, I would be patriotic and stand up for the country I have chosen to call home.  I believe we should all defend what is ours and make every effort to improve our situation.  Nationalism is another thing entirely and I agree with you, Tim, it is an ugly thing.

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24 minutes ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

I found a quote online that sums up my opinion on this quite well so I will use their words:

So, IMHO, I would be patriotic and stand up for the country I have chosen to call home.  I believe we should all defend what is ours and make every effort to improve our situation.  Nationalism is another thing entirely and I agree with you, Tim, it is an ugly thing.

I mentioned this a few times before.  While visiting the US Embassy in Manila, there was a protest (normally student activists from UP), and I saw a sign that said ---YANKEES GO HOME!   These students were wearing US made Levis and other foreign labels and they're shouting nationalism about promoting Filipino original ideas and products.  The lucrative business of reverse engineering, re-manufacturing and re-labeling industry is alive and well in the Philippines.  

My wife Judy is very vocal about the US politics and politicians.  I suggested that we go up north and become Canadian citizens.  Yeah......I'm still thinking about it.      

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3 hours ago, Jake said:

  I suggested that we go up north and become Canadian citizens.  Yeah......I'm still thinking about it.      

To cold in the winter Jake, but don't worry, when you go deaf all that bulldust propaganda stops, believe me. :hystery:

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The Philippines first policy to my thinking has seriously held back development in the Philippine to the extent of now being the poor man of Asia. Will Trumps America first also be in the long run detrimental to the USA.

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egomaniacs with an inferiority complex 

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I can't comment on the Phil's but as a Scot we have a strong nationalistic pride , it took me a few years but I managed to mellow it down a lot .

However that statement does not apply to sport 😁

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41 minutes ago, bastonjock said:

as a Scot we have a strong nationalistic pride ,

Now? do you mean Patriotic or Nationalistic because it seems they are 2 different things

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