5000 Inmates die each year

[Mike J]

This is why you don't want to go to prison in the Philippines. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/asia/philippines-inmate-deaths-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

(CNN)One in five detainees at the Philippines' national penitentiary die every year, officials at the prison hospital have revealed.

About 5,200 inmates at the New Bilibid Prison (NBP) die annually due to overcrowding, disease and violence, according to hospital medical chief Ernesto Tamayo, CNN affiliate CNN Philippines reported.
Tamayo, speaking at a Senate hearing on Thursday, said the overcrowding had led to unmanageable outbreaks of pulmonary tuberculosis, CNN Philippines said.
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The NBP, located in Muntinlupa City outside the capital Manila, has been embroiled in scandals for months. Thursday's Senate hearing was just the latest development in an ongoing investigation into allegations of corruption at the Bureau of Corrections.
Public outrage began in August, when rumors spread that a former mayor currently serving time for a 1993 rape and homicide would be released early for good behavior.
Then in September, a witness claimed that prison officials had offered to shorten her husband's sentence for a fee of 50,000 Philippine pesos (about $970) -- a deal that ultimately fell through, even after she said she paid.

More allegation arose in September, when senators claimed that inmates could "live like kings" in their cells for a certain fee, CNN Philippines reported. It alleged prison officials accepted bribes to smuggle in contraband like cell phones, cigarettes and even televisions.
During Thursday's hearing, senators also raised allegations that inmates were faking illnesses to stay in hospitals outside the prison. According to testimonials from former inmates, some NBP inmates even have personal cooks and nurses inside the prison hospital, according to CNN Philippines.
The high number of deaths is shocking -- but not exactly a new problem. Other prisons around the country are facing similar problems; when CNN visited a Quezon City jail in 2016, more than 4,000 inmates were living cheek by jowl in one of the most densely populated corners of the Philippines.

Conditions were terrible, with the inmates crammed together into crumbling, ramshackle cells. There's barely space for them to sleep -- one room held 85 inmates in a 200-square foot space. Another one, bigger but not by much, held 131. It was designed for 30.
Critics say this overcrowding is a predictable effect of Duterte's war on drugs -- a bloody and brutal crackdown on the methamphetamine trade that has seen thousands killed by police and vigilantes.
The war on drugs has also sparked international condemnation. In July, the United Nations Human Rights Council voted to investigate the thousands of crackdown-related killings -- a move that the country's foreign minister quickly denounced as unjust.
All the while, inmate numbers are climbing. At the start of 2016, the Quezon City jail had a little under 3,600 inmates. In the seven weeks after Duterte took office in June, that number rose to 4,053.
The World Prison Brief reported that the Philippines' total jail population (including pre-trial detainees and remand prisoners) was 188,278 in May 2018.

[Arizona Kid]

When the conditions in jail apply to everyone..Including famous politicians, without special treatment at hospitals and such I will believe it. Not now though. 

[Arizona Kid]

Filipinos are not even smart enough to realize that Marcos.stole almost all of the money from the coffers. But hey..if they want to pretend that nothing happened..stupid is as stupid people are. Yes let's re elect the sons ,daughters, and wife. What could be wrong? 

[Jack D]

On 10/5/2019 at 8:09 PM, Mike J said:

This is why you don't want to go to prison in the Philippines. 

It's not even a very good idea to go to prison in the US. 

"Based on the latest national figures available from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 4,980 prisoners in US correctional facilities died in 2014, a nearly 3% increase from 2013. In state prisons, the mortality rate was 275 for every 100,000 people, the highest since data collection began in 2001.

Since 2014, a Guardian investigation has found several states, including Texas and Florida, with the first and third highest prison populations in the US, respectively, have reported either record mortality rates in prisons or jails or significant surges. Today, 2.3 million people are currently imprisoned, a proportion of the population that substantially outpaces every other nation in the world."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/26/us-prisons-jails-inmate-deaths

[Tommy T.]

Slightly off topic perhaps, but relevant, I think...

Many years ago, in a past life, I worked for the Census Bureau. Part of my job was to prepare "Special Places" for enumeration. This included federal, state and local prisons in the northwestern U.S. So I visited all such "facilities" in that region. Some were better than others - McNeil Island in Washington was perhaps the scariest - very Victorian feeling inside...

From what I have read and heard, the prisons and jails here are much worse...

Trust me... you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere.

[Mike J]

27 minutes ago, Jack D said:

It's not even a very good idea to go to prison in the US. 

"Based on the latest national figures available from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 4,980 prisoners in US correctional facilities died in 2014, a nearly 3% increase from 2013. In state prisons, the mortality rate was 275 for every 100,000 people, the highest since data collection began in 2001.

Since 2014, a Guardian investigation has found several states, including Texas and Florida, with the first and third highest prison populations in the US, respectively, have reported either record mortality rates in prisons or jails or significant surges. Today, 2.3 million people are currently imprisoned, a proportion of the population that substantially outpaces every other nation in the world."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/26/us-prisons-jails-inmate-deaths

I was curious because the quote shows the deaths increasing by 3%, but make no mention if the prison population had changed.  So I read the article, then followed the links to their source data.  See below for what I found.  The number of deaths was basically identical, only 4 more deaths in 2014.  That is an increase of .00115 percent, just a bit over 1/1000th of one percent! And where did they get from the official number of 3,483 deaths in 2014 to claim 4980?   My take on this is that the Guardian is probably fairly liberal and anti prison.  They certainly have a right to their opinion, but it appears to me that they either "cherry picked" statistics, cooked the numbers, or perhaps just made up some numbers.  The stats were kind of an interesting read, the Guardian - hmmm not so much. 

<snip>

State prison deaths
From 2013 (3,479) to 2014 (3,483), the number of deaths
in state prisons was relatively stable. Deaths in state prisons
declined in both California (down 13%) and Texas (down
7%) from 2013 to 2014. Together, these states accounted
for a fifth of the state prison population and a fifth of state
prisoner deaths in 2014.
Nearly 9 in 10 (87%) state prisoner deaths were due to
illness in 2014, with more than half of those caused by either
cancer (30%) or heart disease (26%). From 2013 to 2014,
the number of AIDS-related deaths increased 23% and the
number of deaths due to a respiratory disease increased 20%.
Also up during this period was the number of suicides in
state prison. Suicides increased 30% from 2013 to 2014 after
a 6% decrease from 2012 to 2013. Suicides accounted for
7% of all state prison deaths in 2014—the largest percentage
observed since 2001. Accidental deaths and deaths due to
drug or alcohol intoxication were recorded as the cause of
death in about 1% of state prison deaths in 2014. 

<end snip>

[Jack D]

1 hour ago, Tommy T. said:

Trust me... you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere.

Great Advice!

It's best to keep your nose clean and stay out of any prison, regardless of where in the world it is.

1 hour ago, Mike J said:

Today, 2.3 million people are currently imprisoned, a proportion of the population that substantially outpaces every other nation in the world."

Thanks for your research, but I still think that the US has the largest prison population of any country in the world, and as Tommy T said:   "you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere."

[Mike J]

1 hour ago, Jack D said:

Thanks for your research, but I still think that the US has the largest prison population of any country in the world, and as Tommy T said:   "you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere."

You are correct about the US having the largest number of prisoners according to this report.  And so is Tommy. 

https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/wppl_12.pdf

There are more than 2.1 million prisoners in the United States of America, 1.65 million in China (plus unknown numbers in pre-trial detention and other forms of detention), 690,000 in Brazil, 583,000 in the Russian Federation, 420,000 in India, 364,000 in Thailand, 249,000 in Indonesia, 233,000 in Turkey, 230,000 in Iran, 204,000 in Mexico and 188,000 in the Philippines. C The countries with the highest prison population rate – that is, the number of prisoners per 100,000 of the national population – are the United States (655 per 100,000), followed by El Salvador (604), Turkmenistan (552), U.S. Virgin Islands (542), Thailand (526), Cuba (510), Maldives (499), Northern Mariana Islands – U.S.A. (482), British Virgin Islands (470), Rwanda (464), Bahamas (438), Seychelles (437), Grenada (435), St Vincent and the Grenadines (426), Guam – U.S.A. (404) and Russian Federation (402).

[Arizona Kid]

9 hours ago, Tommy T. said:

Slightly off topic perhaps, but relevant, I think...

Many years ago, in a past life, I worked for the Census Bureau. Part of my job was to prepare "Special Places" for enumeration. This included federal, state and local prisons in the northwestern U.S. So I visited all such "facilities" in that region. Some were better than others - McNeil Island in Washington was perhaps the scariest - very Victorian feeling inside...

From what I have read and heard, the prisons and jails here are much worse...

Trust me... you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere.

Got arrested for drunk driving in 1987. Had to spend 8 hours in the tank. Humiliating experience. I was already a Chief in the USN so it brought me to my senses. And taught me one very valuable lesson...DON'T GET CAUGHT!

[bastonjock]

11 hours ago, Tommy T. said:

Slightly off topic perhaps, but relevant, I think...

Many years ago, in a past life, I worked for the Census Bureau. Part of my job was to prepare "Special Places" for enumeration. This included federal, state and local prisons in the northwestern U.S. So I visited all such "facilities" in that region. Some were better than others - McNeil Island in Washington was perhaps the scariest - very Victorian feeling inside...

From what I have read and heard, the prisons and jails here are much worse...

Trust me... you don't ever want to be incarcerated anywhere.

I worked at Broadmoor hospital in the UK , it's the special hospital where we lock up the real bad dudes , it had the Yorkshire ripper and people who have done unimaginable cruel acts

I was installing a panic alarm system , I was on those wards with a tool box full of ammo for these guys , I had 4 prison officers with me at all times and I still felt scared 

You name it , it was locked up in broadmoor