Gangster Hospitals

[Call me bubba]

just wondering? not to criticize, ,but others can feed back to me too.You have a housekeeper/nanny. you pay her a salary,and do provide other out of pocket expenses? correct?1.Did you ever(not to criticize or anger you) consider enrolling her in philhealth?or even SSS?(OH god ed is on his philhealth agenda again, forum help us all)at only 100p a month it covers some health related issues but not all.I bring this issue up, as i have had housekeeper/yaya/nanny for my child.I did pay( i didnt give her the money) so in case of some UNFORESEEN accident at least the worker would have some type of ""PROTECTION""which in turns limits/reduces my possible "assistance" to help her(my worker)2, You knew she was "preggie" i am sure that she may have asked for some type of help? correct?her family has limited resources? correct?did you consider a "PUBLIC or Community "hospital that would accept her her? or asking your wife or the workers family to seek or inquire on what options was/are available? As this would have "cost" less than a private pay hospital?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, other Forum members? do you offer any "extra" benefits to your house help?in case of some type of "major" accident or illness? AND i dont mean "free" porno viewing either? ha ha.

[Jake]

Hello Ed,I think it's a noble cause. You could look at it this way as a return of investment. If she has beenreliable and trustworthy, especially the care of your children -- why not? Does Philhealth includeannual physical exam (blood work for TB and other contagious diseases) and basic medicine?Remember, she probably has more physical contact with you children than you do.Yeah, at 1200 pesos per year -- go for it.

[Call me bubba]

Hello Ed,I think it's a noble cause. You could look at it this way as a return of investment. If she has beenreliable and trustworthy, especially the care of your children -- why not? Does Philhealth includeannual physical exam (blood work for TB and other contagious diseases) and basic medicine?Remember, she probably has more physical contact with you children than you do.Yeah, at 1200 pesos per year -- go for it.

philhealth is a limited "insurance" but its better than nothing. doesnt pay for annual exams BUT if you have TB it will cover treatment.Also what I have done , when we hired 1 girl, we had a her take a "basic" blood test,at our expense of 350php, just to make sure "all is well" .

[Bruce]

So, you want to talk about TB do you... well, (what? Yes Tom.... New topic under health care and hospitals.... OK Tom hehehehe) I have a rather important thing to say about TB, so I shall start a new topic in a few min....

Edited December 12, 2011 by Bruce

[Art2ro]

just wondering? not to criticize, ,but others can feed back to me too.You have a housekeeper/nanny. you pay her a salary,and do provide other out of pocket expenses? correct?1.Did you ever(not to criticize or anger you) consider enrolling her in philhealth?or even SSS?(OH god ed is on his philhealth agenda again, forum help us all)at only 100p a month it covers some health related issues but not all.I bring this issue up, as i have had housekeeper/yaya/nanny for my child.I did pay( i didnt give her the money) so in case of some UNFORESEEN accident at least the worker would have some type of ""PROTECTION""which in turns limits/reduces my possible "assistance" to help her(my worker)2,You knew she was "preggie" i am sure that she may have asked for some type of help? correct?her family has limited resources? correct?did you consider a "PUBLIC or Community "hospital that would accept her her?or asking your wife or the workers family to seek or inquire on what options was/are available?As this would have "cost" less than a private pay hospital?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,other Forum members?do you offer any "extra" benefits to your house help?in case of some type of "major" accident or illness?AND i dont mean "free" porno viewing either? ha ha.

Here you go Ed, this topic was discussed some time ago, but just forgotten! http://philippines-expats.com/index.php?/topic/7058-senate-oks-higher-wages-for-house-helpers/page__hl__%2Bdomestic+%2Bhelpers__fromsearch__1This Senate Bill 1141 for Domestic helpers is in the works, but I haven't followed it up if it has been approved yet, but probably not since I haven't seen any news saying it is now mandatory! http://www.nenepimen...ls/SBN-1678.asphttp://www.senate.go...a/29932556!.pdfhttp://newsinfo.inqu...2%80%99-measure Edited December 12, 2011 by Art2ro

[ekimswish]

just wondering? not to criticize, ,but others can feed back to me too. You have a housekeeper/nanny. you pay her a salary,and do provide other out of pocket expenses? correct? 1. Did you ever(not to criticize or anger you) consider enrolling her in philhealth?or even SSS? (OH god ed is on his philhealth agenda again, forum help us all) at only 100p a month it covers some health related issues but not all. I bring this issue up, as i have had housekeeper/yaya/nanny for my child.I did pay( i didnt give her the money) so in case of some UNFORESEEN accident at least the worker would have some type of ""PROTECTION"" which in turns limits/reduces my possible "assistance" to help her(my worker) 2, You knew she was "preggie" i am sure that she may have asked for some type of help? correct? her family has limited resources? correct? did you consider a "PUBLIC or Community "hospital that would accept her her? or asking your wife or the workers family to seek or inquire on what options was/are available? As this would have "cost" less than a private pay hospital? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, other Forum members? do you offer any "extra" benefits to your house help? in case of some type of "major" accident or illness? AND i dont mean "free" porno viewing either? ha ha.

That's okay. Here in Taiwan, with the family in the Philippines, I have very little interest in most of what goes on over there aside from my own kids.When we were trying to start a piggery last year, I was intent on our workers having insurance, and their kids having what they needed to go to school. In the end, however, I have no idea if they ever got that stuff done. I do know that they stole from us.The fact is, I'm the odd-man out, and no matter what I tell them, they'll just nod politely, and go on discussing in another language, sure that I have no idea what I'm talking about, or if I do, whatever they're scheming won't work.I've highlighted quite clearly to my wife a bunch of times where she's been wrong, and everyone around her has been wrong, but I was right, and they chose not to listen to me. I don't care. If I can't make it drink, I'm not even going to try leading a horse to water anymore. Edited December 12, 2011 by ekimswish

[Brucewayne]

Senator Cayetano can say anything he likes and cannot point it out, as it is not listed anywhere in the law.I know, I was in a hospital and had to call an attorney to dispute this misconception which the hospital was trying to use to hold me.By the way, I paid P23,000 of a P25,000 bill and was going to pay the rest as soon as I could get to my bank account, the hospital wanted to hold my then 2 year old daughter for collateral (ransom), I simply walked out and did pay the next day, even the guards who told me they would hold me backed off when I said I'm leaving, pass or no pass.

Look down where I high lighted a sentence in red! It's contradicting a portion of this RA 9439! What does it mean? Hospitals can still hold patients hostage? RA 9439 is now a lawLast April 27, 2007 Republic Act No. 9439, also known as the "Hospital Detention Bill," was signed into law by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. It is a bill that prohibits the detention of patients in hospitals and medical clinics on grounds of non-payment of hospital bills or medical expenses. This Republic Act will take effect 15 days after publication in two national newspapers of general circulation. The bill was sponsored by Senators Pia S. Cayetano, Manuel Villar, and Sergio Osmena III. The violation of RA 9493 will have a penalty of an imprisonment of six months and a fine of as high as P50,000. Under RA 9493, the law states, "Patients who have fully or partially recovered and who already wish to leave the hospital or medical clinic, but are financially incapable to settle, in part or in full, their hospitalization expenses including professional fees and medicines, shall be allowed to leave the hospital, with a right to demand issuance of the corresponding medical certificate and other pertinent papers required for the release of the patient from the hospital upon the execution of a promissory note covering the unpaid obligation". The law also states the in case of a deceased patient, "the corresponding death certificate and other documents required for interment and other purposes shall be released to any of his surviving relatives requesting the same." In part of the obligation of the patient a promissory note could be secured by either a mortgage or a guarantee of a co-maker, who would be jointly liable with the patient's unpaid medical bill.The PHA (Philippine Hospital Association) is concerned that this law will breed abuse wherein patients will avoid payment of their bills. Senator Cayetano pointed out that the law only applies to charity patients and does not cover patients in private rooms. The question is, "Who will foot the unpaid hospital bills?" Hopefully, Philhealth, Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO), and Philippine Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) can pick up the difference.The measure or law maybe directed in providing for the Filipino's basic need for quality and affordable medical services, but it still remains on the hands of the government through the Department of Health. For the common "tao" there is always that hardship in coping with the rising cost of medicine and medical services. We will always ask ourselves if there is a room for "social medicine." The government will always foot the bill, but with graft and corruption in its hallways, getting "quality" medicine will always be questionable.There should be a belief on change, of ridding government of graft and corruption and at the same time institute a pro-people program for Filipino health. If one thinks only for the "few", this could derail our progress.

[Brucewayne]

I don't have it at the moment, but there is a hotline # you can call in Manila if the hospital tells you that you can't leave.Ask to borrow their phone to call that # and see how quickly they will offer a paper for you to sign.

Our nanny just went to the hospital to give birth, but can't leave until she pays. I realize why the Philippine hospitals won't release babies or patients until they pay their bills, but then they add on every day that they stay while not being allowed to leave. Shouldn't there be a compromise here?If you're not letting me leave, you shouldn't be allowed to charge me for that. The balance I owe for the services I asked for and received, I should absolutely have to pay. But when you won't let me leave, you can't charge me for that. It's like kidnap, really.Anyways, the nanny had gone to the local center for poor people first, but they wouldn't accept her because she was at risk to bleed-out or something, which is why she had to go to the bigger hospital. Her daughter asked my wife for money to pay the bill, but we don't have anything to give her right now. We're just hanging on til payday ourselves. Anyways, where does it end? If she doesn't pay, are they just going to hold onto her forever, and the bill becomes something like 938478957398789549495789430859085084508304854504850843509438pesos by the year 4002?

The hospitals in the Philippines are often criminal. As other wrote above, I do not feel it is legal and I would go to the police and pointout the statue to them. One hospital held one of our nephews dead baby until they paid the bill to get the dead baby back, that the hospital themselves did not treat properly and the child therefore died from just having diarrhea. Often it makes me wonder what type of people run these hospitals, don't they have any good in them. I believe the soul is gone once the person dies and the body is just a vessel, so had it been my child, I would have laughed at them and told them store the body all you want, and for as long as they want because I would have just had it cremated anyway, so I am not paying. Yes I am cruel and heartless but sometimes it takes two of the same to tango. I often cannot understand many things that go on in the Philippines, this type of thing is one of many things that make me. :th_thbestpost: In Mikes case above, I would tell her to just take the baby and walk/sneak out of the hospital.

[Brucewayne]

Oh, and just try to have yourself put on a ward if you are white, can't be done at the hospitals we have used.

Look down where I high lighted a sentence in red! It's contradicting a portion of this RA 9439! What does it mean? Hospitals can still hold patients hostage? RA 9439 is now a lawLast April 27, 2007 Republic Act No. 9439, also known as the "Hospital Detention Bill," was signed into law by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. It is a bill that prohibits the detention of patients in hospitals and medical clinics on grounds of non-payment of hospital bills or medical expenses. This Republic Act will take effect 15 days after publication in two national newspapers of general circulation. The bill was sponsored by Senators Pia S. Cayetano, Manuel Villar, and Sergio Osmena III. The violation of RA 9493 will have a penalty of an imprisonment of six months and a fine of as high as P50,000. Under RA 9493, the law states, "Patients who have fully or partially recovered and who already wish to leave the hospital or medical clinic, but are financially incapable to settle, in part or in full, their hospitalization expenses including professional fees and medicines, shall be allowed to leave the hospital, with a right to demand issuance of the corresponding medical certificate and other pertinent papers required for the release of the patient from the hospital upon the execution of a promissory note covering the unpaid obligation". The law also states the in case of a deceased patient, "the corresponding death certificate and other documents required for interment and other purposes shall be released to any of his surviving relatives requesting the same." In part of the obligation of the patient a promissory note could be secured by either a mortgage or a guarantee of a co-maker, who would be jointly liable with the patient's unpaid medical bill.The PHA (Philippine Hospital Association) is concerned that this law will breed abuse wherein patients will avoid payment of their bills. Senator Cayetano pointed out that the law only applies to charity patients and does not cover patients in private rooms. The question is, "Who will foot the unpaid hospital bills?" Hopefully, Philhealth, Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO), and Philippine Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) can pick up the difference.The measure or law maybe directed in providing for the Filipino's basic need for quality and affordable medical services, but it still remains on the hands of the government through the Department of Health. For the common "tao" there is always that hardship in coping with the rising cost of medicine and medical services. We will always ask ourselves if there is a room for "social medicine." The government will always foot the bill, but with graft and corruption in its hallways, getting "quality" medicine will always be questionable.There should be a belief on change, of ridding government of graft and corruption and at the same time institute a pro-people program for Filipino health. If one thinks only for the "few", this could derail our progress.

[Jollygoodfellow]

Senator Cayetano can say anything he likes and cannot point it out, as it is not listed anywhere in the law.I know, I was in a hospital and had to call an attorney to dispute this misconception which the hospital was trying to use to hold me.By the way, I paid P23,000 of a P25,000 bill and was going to pay the rest as soon as I could get to my bank account, the hospital wanted to hold my then 2 year old daughter for collateral (ransom), I simply walked out and did pay the next day, even the guards who told me they would hold me backed off when I said I'm leaving, pass or no pass.

I'm not sure why you say its not law, I gave you a link of the passed bill and Art did too.http://www.lawphil.n..._9439_2007.htmlCan you show me anything that says it is not the law?