What will be the end game?

[Guy F.]

Welcome Moshe.

There are plenty of morons dying from Covid-19 who are sure it isn't Covid that they are dying from. They still think Covid is a hoax and something else is making them sick.

[Tommy T.]

17 minutes ago, Guy F. said:

Welcome Moshe.

There are plenty of morons dying from Covid-19 who are sure it isn't Covid that they are dying from. They still think Covid is a hoax and something else is making them sick.

A lot of Darwin Award winners past and future out there.

[Mike J]

10 hours ago, Moshe Levine said:

Thanks for the warm welcomes to this forum.

Whenever I watch the TV news from the States about someone who is just about to die form Covid-19, they always say the same thing; I made a terrible mistake by not getting vaccinated.

I just received an email from my sister who lives in Nevada.  Her neighbors refused the vaccine.  Both came down with the delta strain earlier this month and were hospitalized.   He died while on a ventilator last week, the wife is still in the hospital.

[RBM]

45 minutes ago, Guy F. said:

Welcome Moshe.

There are plenty of morons dying from Covid-19 who are sure it isn't Covid that they are dying from. They still think Covid is a hoax and something else is making them sick.

Yes and also plenty dying from what they reason is covid where before the pandemic would of had another name such as   pneumonia.  Its interesting when watching news from Channel 9 Aussie many of the deaths are people in their 80s, 90s....All covid deaths. 

[hk blues]

3 hours ago, RBM said:

Yes and also plenty dying from what they reason is covid where before the pandemic would of had another name such as   pneumonia.  Its interesting when watching news from Channel 9 Aussie many of the deaths are people in their 80s, 90s....All covid deaths. 

Whatever way we cut it, excess deaths are being recorded pretty much everywhere so something is causing that.  If it's not Covid, I wonder what it is?

[graham59]

Lack of proper exercise for those supposedly confined to their homes, plus the difficulty in accessing timely hospital treatment (or the FEAR of it) can't be helping matters ! 

I know that in the case of at least two close family members here in the province, their deaths could probably have been prevented, had their families not been fearful of taking them to the local hospital, or even to a doctor, due to Covid-related lack of services problems, along with some fear-mongering .  

[GeoffH]

46 minutes ago, graham59 said:

Lack of proper exercise for those supposedly confined to their homes, plus the difficulty in accessing timely hospital treatment (or the FEAR of it) can't be helping matters ! 

There was a study done (can't find the link now) that showed that the increase in deaths due to reduced activity and reduced access to normal healthcare were less in number than the reduction in deaths due to non-Covid contagious diseases (like Influenza).

I'm not saying it doesn't happen... just that it's NOT the cause of the excess death numbers around the world.

That's caused by Covid, both directly but also indirectly.

[BrettGC]

1 hour ago, GeoffH said:

There was a study done (can't find the link now) that showed that the increase in deaths due to reduced activity and reduced access to normal healthcare were less in number than the reduction in deaths due to non-Covid contagious diseases (like Influenza).

I'm not saying it doesn't happen... just that it's NOT the cause of the excess death numbers around the world.

That's caused by Covid, both directly but also indirectly.

This one?  

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=USA~PHL~AUS~CAN~GBR

Edit:  Never mind, that just shows the deaths directly attributable to COVD against the normal average rates. 

Edited August 23, 2021 by BrettGC

[DaveB]

Some info from an old curmudgeon: when I was a kid in the 50s (yep...I'm OLD), I lined up in the cafeteria at school with every other kid in the school and got a MANDATORY smallpox vaccination, polio shot, and a measles and mumps shot.  Wasn't any noise about rights or other whining - get it or leave school.  That's it.  Now, my parents were the generation that had just gone through WWII...during which there was a MANDATORY draft and there was MADATORY food and gas rationing.  They took that in stride the same reason they took the vaccines in stride - a sense that they have a greater obligation to the country as a whole, and it trumps individual focus.  As a reslult - no more smallpox, no more polio, and measels was rare until people started listening to a bizarre misinformation campaign about the vaccine causing autism...and lo and behold, up popped new measels out breaks.  A nice study in cause and effect.

I think COVID is around forever.  The basic mask and social distance stuff is classic deterrent to infection going back over 100 years.  See the masks in Spanish Flu phots?  There's a reason doctors wear masks in surgery.  Is it 100% effective?  Nope...nothing human related ever is.  But it behooves us to do it to try and minimize the impacts as much as possible.  Even the best vaccines are 5% ineffective, so for some folks it ain't gonna work.  But the rest can drive down the spread a lot and cut off the human petri dish the virus thrives in.  If you refuse to get it for whatever reason - then Darwin was right and the gene pool will benefit ultimately.  But it is the height of arrogance and selfishness to seque into the follow on thought that because you don't want to take measures, neither should anyone else, and it is your "right" to run around and potentially infect everyone else.

As for lock downs...I don't think anyone believes they will eradicate the disease.  I think governments are really focused on keeping the number of inevitble infections low enough that the medical infrastructure doesn't get completely overwhelmed.  Kind of a nasty thought to show up at a hospital with a heart problem and get told all the beds are full with COVID patients.  I'm really tired of Philippine sudden knee jerk reactions and ultimate lockdowns and travel restrictions - but I'm sympathetic.  It just wouldn't take much to completely blow away the entire country's medical complex and since they can't afford a population's worth of vaccine, they are stressing the old fallbacks.  I suspect some day they will get to the point where vaccinations are finally dispersed to enough people to remove that threat, even if there are still some people getting sick, and they'll then lift a lot of restrictions.  But not being one of the "rich countries", they are ways off before they get there.

[OnMyWay]