Rooster Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) This discussion often comes up among friends who I hang out with. We are in agreement "do not" get involved with any woman who has children in The Philippines. The arguments seem to pop up when new Expats arrive who seek advice or with other Expats who are dating women with children. My advice to others is always do not get involved with any woman in The Philippines who has a child. Our main argument that we and I use when asked about dating women with children is Philippine Law. Republic Act No. 7610 https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/1992/06/17/republic-act-no-7610/ (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under or who in ten (10) years or more his junior in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its maximum period and a fine of not less than Fifty thousand pesos (P50,000): Provided, That this provision shall not apply to any person who is related within the fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity or any bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition or acts in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage If you are dating or living with a woman who has a child, there will be times when one is alone with that child such as if the mother goes to the market or to run errands. If the child is not related to you then you are breaking Philippine Law and risk arrest. I have seen on the news and have read where Foreigners get arrested at bus stops for being with a child who is not theirs. Videos of PNP warning one Foreigner that he could no longer give children a ride to church or be in their presence. There are other examples as well. Besides the risk of arrest for being in the presence of a child not related to the Foreigner, there are also risks such as the woman may already be married. Repercussions from the biological father. Etc. Another risk is The Financial Drama. I warned a guy who arrived 1 year ago not to get involved. The GF drained him financially with the children need this and that. He now only dates women who claim they have no children. The Barangay where I live reminds residents to report any Foreigner they see alone with a child. I get responses from other Foreigners such as. It's not true, I babysit my girlfriends daughter when she goes to work or no one cares, that's not the law. Etc. Etc. I am wondering what others thoughts are on this. Edited January 31 by Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotorSarge Posted January 31 Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, Rooster said: This discussion often comes up among friends who I hang out with. We are in agreement "do not" get involved with any woman who has children in The Philippines. The arguments seem to pop up when new Expats arrive who seek advice or with other Expats who are dating women with children. My advice to others is always do not get involved with any woman in The Philippines who has a child. Our main argument that we and I use when asked about dating women with children is Philippine Law. Republic Act No. 7610 https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/1992/06/17/republic-act-no-7610/ (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under or who in ten (10) years or more his junior in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its maximum period and a fine of not less than Fifty thousand pesos (P50,000): Provided, That this provision shall not apply to any person who is related within the fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity or any bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition or acts in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage If you are dating or living with a woman who has a child, there will be times when one is alone with that child such as if the mother goes to the market or to run errands. If the child is not related to you then you are breaking Philippine Law and risk arrest. I have seen on the news and have read where Foreigners get arrested at bus stops for being with a child who is not theirs. Videos of PNP warning one Foreigner that he could no longer give children a ride to church or be in their presence. There are other examples as well. Besides the risk of arrest for being in the presence of a child not related to the Foreigner, there are also risks such as the woman may already be married. Repercussions from the biological father. Etc. Another risk is The Financial Drama. I warned a guy who arrived 1 year ago not to get involved. The GF drained him financially with the children need this and that. He now only dates women who claim they have no children. The Barangay where I live reminds residents to report any Foreigner they see alone with a child. I get responses from other Foreigners such as. It's not true, I babysit my girlfriends daughter when she goes to work or no one cares, that's not the law. Etc. Etc. I am wondering what others thoughts are on this. Plenty of unmarried, childless Filipinas looking for Love...Leiser... & Marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxheadspace Posted January 31 Posted January 31 I suspect it is one of those laws selectively applied when desired. My extended in-law family has kids and adults coming and going all the time, some not related, and there is no concern. But a European guy with a Filipino child would draw attention. As you imply, better not to be in a position of having to explain yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey G Posted January 31 Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, Rooster said: Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles. Where did you get the quoted part above??? It's not in the 7610 after I did a word search of the document. 19 minutes ago, Rooster said: affinity or any bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition or acts in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty. This is actually is not Fourth degree consanguinity... "affinity" is not a family relationship. Affinity is friendship. "bond by law, local custom, and tradition" most certainly includes an unmarried relationship. Anyways... no poker in this fire... and I have no doubt foreigners have gotten in "trouble"... but I'd bet in almost every instance there's more to the story than the initial report. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 31 Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, Joey G said: Where did you get the quoted part above??? It's not in the 7610 after I did a word search of the document. Use the link that the OP provided and look at Article 6, Other Acts of Abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Joey G said: Where did you get the quoted part above??? It's not in the 7610 after I did a word search of the document. This is actually is not Fourth degree consanguinity... "affinity" is not a family relationship. Affinity is friendship. "bond by law, local custom, and tradition" most certainly includes an unmarried relationship. Anyways... no poker in this fire... and I have no doubt foreigners have gotten in "trouble"... but I'd bet in almost every instance there's more to the story than the initial report. Google 4th degree of consanguinity and affinity Philippines or click on the link below to see a chart how The Philippines describes it. You see that it conflicts with your definition of "affinity". https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjswZb-vYaEAxXTTGwGHaxCBlYQFnoECCkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wesm.ph%2Fdownloads%2Fdownload%2FTWFya2V0IFJlcG9ydHM%3D%2FMTg5Mg%3D%3D&usg=AOvVaw3suI6h-iay4nB89rT6Skq_&opi=89978449 Edited January 31 by Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebie Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Very familiar with that rule /law. 2 years back GF wanted to bring her young son to stay in Manila for a few weeks. That idea was shot down better than a Lockheed SR 72 could do.... Had to show her the law and how I couldnt and wouldnt be in the company of her son. All it would take was one guard to called DWSD claiming illegality . She was amazed and had never heard of such rules. The idea has never arisen since. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OnMyWay Posted January 31 Popular Post Posted January 31 (edited) 20 hours ago, Rooster said: This discussion often comes up among friends who I hang out with. We are in agreement "do not" get involved with any woman who has children in The Philippines. The arguments seem to pop up when new Expats arrive who seek advice or with other Expats who are dating women with children. My advice to others is always do not get involved with any woman in The Philippines who has a child. Our main argument that we and I use when asked about dating women with children is Philippine Law. Republic Act No. 7610 https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/1992/06/17/republic-act-no-7610/ (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under or who in ten (10) years or more his junior in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its maximum period and a fine of not less than Fifty thousand pesos (P50,000): Provided, That this provision shall not apply to any person who is related within the fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity or any bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition or acts in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles. Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage Fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity means parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great- great-grandparents, spouse, children, siblings, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great- grandchildren, nieces or nephews, grand-nieces or grand-nephews, aunts or uncles, great-aunts or great-uncles, and first cousins by virtue of a blood relationship or marriage If you are dating or living with a woman who has a child, there will be times when one is alone with that child such as if the mother goes to the market or to run errands. If the child is not related to you then you are breaking Philippine Law and risk arrest. I have seen on the news and have read where Foreigners get arrested at bus stops for being with a child who is not theirs. Videos of PNP warning one Foreigner that he could no longer give children a ride to church or be in their presence. There are other examples as well. Besides the risk of arrest for being in the presence of a child not related to the Foreigner, there are also risks such as the woman may already be married. Repercussions from the biological father. Etc. Another risk is The Financial Drama. I warned a guy who arrived 1 year ago not to get involved. The GF drained him financially with the children need this and that. He now only dates women who claim they have no children. The Barangay where I live reminds residents to report any Foreigner they see alone with a child. I get responses from other Foreigners such as. It's not true, I babysit my girlfriends daughter when she goes to work or no one cares, that's not the law. Etc. Etc. I am wondering what others thoughts are on this. I seem to remember a discussion here on why the risk is less than as defined in the law. The risk might depend on the area you live in. too. Here is Subic Bay Freeport, there are many unmarried and married foreigner/Filipina couples with kid(s) from the female's former relationship. Often they have kids together too (like me). The only time this might come up is if the couple breaks up and a vengeful partner tries to use it against the other partner. Also, we don't have a barangay. In a different area, such as a provincial barangay, the foreigner might stick out like a sore thumb, and thus be subject to external threats, beyond the family. I lived in Laguna with my wife-to-be and her then 8 year old daughter. I certainly stuck out like a sore thumb and I knew there was some risk with those laws. My wife just scoffed at them. I had done a bit of research on this before I moved there in 2012. Stayed 6 months before we sold her house and moved to SBFZ. She got her annulment in 2014 and we married in 2015. I don't want to completely discourage dating a Filipina with kid(s) but that is the safer option. There are some good women with kids. I would just advise to proceed with caution. I actually was very open to one kid of a younger age. I did not picture myself having babies but proceeded to have two more beautiful girls! If I had chosen a different path, who knows where I would be now. Certainly not with my daughters! Pics from yesterday, school Sportsfest. Katy is 9 and Leila is 7. Katy won in Table Tennis doubles this morning! Must be her dad's blood! Katy Leila Edited January 31 by OnMyWay 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, Rooster said: I get responses from other Foreigners such as. It's not true, I babysit my girlfriends daughter when she goes to work or no one cares, that's not the law. Etc. Etc. I am wondering what others thoughts are on this. I don't doubt the law exists, or that it has been applied in some way in the past but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a back story in such cases where a foreigner was arrested. The more likely scenario is that a warning/advice be given to the foreigner. Don't get involved with a lady with a child is sound advice but in reality that's easier said than done, perhaps. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebie Posted February 1 Posted February 1 https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/159382/belgian-charged-child-trafficking https://plnmedia.com/kids-traumatised-belgian-wrongful-arrest/ Poor fellow had been a friend of family for many years ( second story ) . He had 6 months in prison i think before he was released , all charges dropped and probably no "sorry sir we made a mistake, we were just chasing a nice big headline". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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