Permanent Residency Without Philippine Partner

[splashandsun]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

[Gold Heart]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

While I think most expats have a relationship with a Filipino by marriage as I do. That may not factor in the nature of the residency or visa. I am living in the Philippines via a retiree visa, SRRV. I could have included my wife and son in this visa arrangement -- just like any foreign couples. We just chose to have the everyone else utilize the most beneficial relationship either as dual or full citizens. The differences of living here without a relationship to a local may be more interesting challenge as there is no one to turn to to help understand local, regional, and cultural issues and problems. Establishing local friends can help you do that.

[Mr Lee]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

First of all let me welcome you to the forum.  :SugarwareZ-037: Next I made a post Here which addresses the SRRV and you may find that informative but it would require a fairly large amount of money being deposited into an account in the Philippines and some fees. While it is not for everyone, it is one option. The other would be continually renewing your visa every 59 days and then I believe also having to leave the country every 18 months. I am not sure of the exact details if you were to go that route. Maybe others know more options because many of us, myself included are married to Filipinas and can therefore stay a year at a time without a visa and others just renew their visa every 59 days. One person ancienrocka who is a member of this forum deals in visas all the time and might have some other alternatives for you. Enjoy the forum and feel free to ask questions you need answers to.  :17403:

[mike]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Suggest you look at the pra.gov.ph web for Philippines retirement authority.Now a days a lot cheaper to join especially if you have pension funds coming in.The potentially even better news is that the PRA is now answerable to the Department of Tourism . This means that a new perspective, treating retirees as investors who need to be looked after is on the cards.Once all the new political appointments are made to the the DOT and PRA following the recent elections it will be a good place to check in and view.Expect changes to be made over the next 12 months that will be very favourable in attracting new retirees.I am a an SRRV holder under the old scheme rules which are not as attractive as new scheme rules.Mike

[Singers]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Suggest you look at the pra.gov.ph web for Philippines retirement authority.Now a days a lot cheaper to join especially if you have pension funds coming in.The potentially even better news is that the PRA is now answerable to the Department of Tourism . This means that a new perspective, treating retirees as investors who need to be looked after is on the cards.Once all the new political appointments are made to the the DOT and PRA following the recent elections it will be a good place to check in and view.Expect changes to be made over the next 12 months that will be very favourable in attracting new retirees.I am a an SRRV holder under the old scheme rules which are not as attractive as new scheme rules.Mike

That is good news Mike,I applied in London for my PR and the Vice Consul, PI Embassy, said it was realized the eXpat bringing his pension and spending while living in PI could be responsible for boosting the local economy AND providing much needed jobs for about 4 locals PER eXpat Retiree.... He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.Now it seems that attitude in PI Gov. is coming to light. Thankfully.UK Tom Edited May 18, 2010 by Singers

[mike]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Suggest you look at the pra.gov.ph web for Philippines retirement authority.Now a days a lot cheaper to join especially if you have pension funds coming in.The potentially even better news is that the PRA is now answerable to the Department of Tourism . This means that a new perspective, treating retirees as investors who need to be looked after is on the cards.Once all the new political appointments are made to the the DOT and PRA following the recent elections it will be a good place to check in and view.Expect changes to be made over the next 12 months that will be very favourable in attracting new retirees.I am a an SRRV holder under the old scheme rules which are not as attractive as new scheme rules.Mike

That is good news Mike,I applied in London for my PR and the Vice Consul, PI Embassy, said it was realized the eXpat bringing his pension and spending while living in PI could be responsible for boosting the local economy AND providing much needed jobs for about 4 locals PER eXpat Retiree.... He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.Now it seems that attitude in PI Gov. is coming to light. Thankfully.UK Tom

He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.I was asked the same Reason I gave did make them stop and pause. I told them "I am here for my wife, if she was Malay I be in Malaysia, I wish she was Malay as they have a far superior retirement scheme, I am not here for the Philippines." this was not rude just a very straightforward piece of feedback that retirees need a far bigger attraction to view the Philippines as being a preferred destination and relying on partners should not be the reason.My hope is that the the PI gov will evolve the PRA scheme so its is at least on par with what is offered elsewhere. The Philippines is not the only game in town, hence its reasons for being at the bottom of most ratings covering a broad range of topics need positive and constructive input for output to be meaningful.Mike Edited May 18, 2010 by mike

[UZI]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Suggest you look at the pra.gov.ph web for Philippines retirement authority.Now a days a lot cheaper to join especially if you have pension funds coming in.The potentially even better news is that the PRA is now answerable to the Department of Tourism . This means that a new perspective, treating retirees as investors who need to be looked after is on the cards.Once all the new political appointments are made to the the DOT and PRA following the recent elections it will be a good place to check in and view.Expect changes to be made over the next 12 months that will be very favourable in attracting new retirees.I am a an SRRV holder under the old scheme rules which are not as attractive as new scheme rules.Mike

That is good news Mike,I applied in London for my PR and the Vice Consul, PI Embassy, said it was realized the eXpat bringing his pension and spending while living in PI could be responsible for boosting the local economy AND providing much needed jobs for about 4 locals PER eXpat Retiree.... He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.Now it seems that attitude in PI Gov. is coming to light. Thankfully.UK Tom

He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.I was asked the same Reason I gave did make them stop and pause. I told them "I am here for my wife, if she was Malay I be in Malaysia, I wish she was Malay as they have a far superior retirement scheme, I am not here for the Philippines." this was not rude just a very straightforward piece of feedback that retirees need a far bigger attraction to view the Philippines as being a preferred destination and relying on partners should not be the reason.My hope is that the the PI gov will evolve the PRA scheme so its is at least on par with what is offered elsewhere. The Philippines is not the only game in town, hence its reasons for being at the bottom of most ratings covering a broad range of topics need positive and constructive input for output to be meaningful.Mike

Mike,Please correct me if I am wrong but doesn't MM2H require something like P3 million deposited in a bank or in property & what you get in return is only a 10 year multi entry visa? Your wife would not need to be Malay though. If correct, the SRRV here is far superior. If your wife is as you say , Filipina, then why did you not get a 13a resident visa not a retirement visa? As an aside, although Malaysia has 1st world infrastructure (well KL & PJ area at least), it has a 3rd world mentality still. I much prefer here. BTW I lived & worked there for 5 years. I do respect the fact that for the most part, it is one of the few counties where Muslim & other cultures, race & religion do co-exist in relative harmony.Uzi Edited May 18, 2010 by UZI

[Demeter]

Hi SplashandSun! :welcome:to the forums.My Irish students are husband and wife. They've been here for almost three years now and are on retirement visas. They have made a lot of local friends and are enjoying themselves very much. I will ask them if they can help you with your questions and let you know then.Regarding the legal ways of obtaining the visa, what I know from my Japanese students (old Japanese, most are in their 60's) is that, they were made to make a deposit of 50,000 US dollars as a proof that they really have the means to live permanently here.

[mike]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Suggest you look at the pra.gov.ph web for Philippines retirement authority.Now a days a lot cheaper to join especially if you have pension funds coming in.The potentially even better news is that the PRA is now answerable to the Department of Tourism . This means that a new perspective, treating retirees as investors who need to be looked after is on the cards.Once all the new political appointments are made to the the DOT and PRA following the recent elections it will be a good place to check in and view.Expect changes to be made over the next 12 months that will be very favourable in attracting new retirees.I am a an SRRV holder under the old scheme rules which are not as attractive as new scheme rules.Mike

That is good news Mike,I applied in London for my PR and the Vice Consul, PI Embassy, said it was realized the eXpat bringing his pension and spending while living in PI could be responsible for boosting the local economy AND providing much needed jobs for about 4 locals PER eXpat Retiree.... He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.Now it seems that attitude in PI Gov. is coming to light. Thankfully.UK Tom

He was very keen to learn why I chose PI when Malay was on my doorstep in S'pore.I was asked the same Reason I gave did make them stop and pause. I told them "I am here for my wife, if she was Malay I be in Malaysia, I wish she was Malay as they have a far superior retirement scheme, I am not here for the Philippines." this was not rude just a very straightforward piece of feedback that retirees need a far bigger attraction to view the Philippines as being a preferred destination and relying on partners should not be the reason.My hope is that the the PI gov will evolve the PRA scheme so its is at least on par with what is offered elsewhere. The Philippines is not the only game in town, hence its reasons for being at the bottom of most ratings covering a broad range of topics need positive and constructive input for output to be meaningful.Mike

Mike,Please correct me if I am wrong but doesn't MM2H require something like P3 million deposited in a bank or in property & what you get in return is only a 10 year multi entry visa? Your wife would not need to be Malay though. If correct, the SRRV here is far superior. If your wife is as you say , Filipina, then why did you not get a 13a resident visa not a retirement visa? As an aside, although Malaysia has 1st world infrastructure (well KL & PJ area at least), it has a 3rd world mentality still. I much prefer here. BTW I lived & worked there for 5 years. I do respect the fact that for the most part, it is one of the few counties where Muslim & other cultures, race & religion do co-exist in relative harmony.Uzi

When I arrived we were not at that time married so 13a was not appropriate.Being under 50 the old scheme rules required 75, 000$US as deposit at that time well in excess of 4million pesos with exchange rate over 50. Old scheme members are not allowed to migrate to new scheme rules.The malay deposit is for a period of time that you can then revert to buying two Freehold properties if you so wish. Here You can buy leasehold which will run out and if you use your PRA deposit you then pay 1.5% of that deposit anually as a fee.Here u get a max 3 year multi entry visa before costs of renewal against 10 year renewal one in Malaysiathe Malay scheme is better for the long term.The new rules coming into force on the PRA scheme is making it more attractive, it just had to get better!! There are lots more things to be done to bring it up to competitive speed.I have delayed migrating to the 13a visa whilst the new political appointments and policy directives under the DOT are decided.

[Demeter]

Dear readersIt struck me that most issues concerning living in the Philippines as a permanent resident (expat) addressed only those cases whereby one of the partners held a Philippine Citizenship.The question to pop now is how does it work, if both partners are not Philippine citizens but find their country of origin within the European Community?How about they just want to retire there and do not want to set up a business, but e.g. just rent a place?We have been visiting only a few places during five weeks of holiday over Christmas 2008 and Christmas 2009. We have met some very very nice people in places wherever we stayed or travelled, without exception. In about a year from now also our youngest son will leave home for his studies abroad, so there are just the two of us left. We have lived a fair part of our lives in Europe and are keen to swap this area for a place in the Fast East, of which the Philippines are on top of the list of preferred countries. If possible and feasible the Phillippines could become our fifth country of residence...Looking forward to receiving your suggestions and referrences to verifiable sources (Acts, etc) I remainwith best regardsg

Hi, this is my Irish student's email address; mickken@hotmail.com. He has given me his permission to give you this. His name's Michael Kenny. He is a very nice guy and very intelligent as well. I am sure he can help you with your questions.