Work Visa to bypass a visa run

[Snowy79]

2 hours ago, Mike J said:

Just my opinion, but they will probably see that he is trying to game the system.  At that point he will have screwed himself out of any opportunity to try a different route.  Philippine officials seem to really hate it when a foreigner tries to pull a fast one on them.  Maybe he could try speaking with an immigration attorney if you can find one who is competent and honest? 

A lot is open to interpretation and I'm sure he won't be the first tourist who has bought a condo, found a partner and got a rug rat within 3 yrs.  If he wishes to move to a larger condo then he would be crazy not to rent it out and by doing so he is starting a business, paying taxes and will need a work visa. I'm sure there are many guys who have done similar it's just this time there happens to be a rare occurence on going. No fault in applying or a work visa as it shows he is doing things legally and I'd expect the Government would want the taxes and he is going through a legal process. He just wants to test the water before turning up at immigration un prepared.  He's hoping someone turns around and says "Yes I've done it, it takes one month, do x,y and z." 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Snowy79

[Mike J]

2 minutes ago, Snowy79 said:

A lot is open to interpretation and I'm sure he won't be the first tourist who has bought a condo, found a partner and got a rug rat within 3 yrs.  If he wishes to move to a larger condo then he would be crazy not to rent it out and by doing so he is starting a business, paying taxes and will need a work visa. I'm sure there are many guys who have done similar it's just this time there happens to be a rare occurence on going. No fault in applying or a work visa as it shows he is doing things legally and I'd expect the G

Please follow up and let us know if that scenario works.

[hk blues]

3 hours ago, Snowy79 said:

...and by doing so he is starting a business, paying taxes and will need a work visa. 

Would he need a work visa or alternatively some kind of business licence?  I do online tutoring but am not an employee but did have to set myself up as self-employed via a business registration - no work visa applicable.  

I'm dubious that a work visa would be granted to a foreigner working as a caretaker as a local could do this job. I think most countries follow the same principle on this.  

 

[Jollygoodfellow]

9 hours ago, Snowy79 said:

He's just testing the water before he goes to immigration and burns all of his bridges. There must be a few people here that have a small condo on a tourist visa and within 3 years have a partner and kid then the condo is too small so they move out and renting the condo out makes sense.

But how does that affect a visa for staying in the country? 

5 hours ago, hk blues said:

I'm dubious that a work visa would be granted to a foreigner working as a caretaker as a local could do this job. I think most countries follow the same principle on this.  

Yes it's all about jobs that Filipinos can not do or fill the positions. There are exceptions such as visa for musicians, athletes etc.

Perhaps he can find a role here, treasure hunting sounds good! 

Quote from Special work permit Application

 . Special Work Permit (SWP) applicant/s should intend to work, engage in specific activities, or render services outside of an employment
arrangement, such as: (a) Professional athletes, coaches, trainers and assistant; (b) International performers with exceptional abilities; (c)
Artists, performers and their staff, who perform before an audience for a fee, subject to compliance with the requirements of the concerned
agency, office or body; (d) Service suppliers coming primarily to perform temporary services and who do not receive salary or other
remuneration from a Philippine source other than expenses incidental to their temporary stay; (e) Treasure hunters authorized to search for
hidden treasure with permit from the concerned government agencies and instrumentalities; (f) Movie and television crews authorized to film
in the country by the relevant regulatory office, body or agency; (g) Foreign journalists practicing their profession or covering a specific event in
the country; (h) Trainee/s assigned in government instrumentalities, government owned controlled corporations (GOCCs) and private entities;
(i) Lectures, researchers, trainers and other pursuing academic work, who are assigned in schools, universities, educational and research
institutions, government agencies and other entities (with or without compensation); (j) Religious missionaries and preachers; (k) Commercial
models and talents; (l) Culinary specialists/chefs; (m) Professionals; and (n) Consultants or specialists.

http://immigration.gov.ph/images/FORMS/2020_Yr/02_Feb/SWP_Commercial2020.pdf

If he wanted a special employment visa he needs to employ 10 Filipinos so I can not understand the point of renting out a condo and employing his GF as a caretaker.

9 hours ago, Snowy79 said:

No fault in applying or a work visa as it shows he is doing things legally and I'd expect the Government would want the taxes and he is going through a legal process. He just wants to test the water before turning up at immigration un prepared.

Please let us know the outcome of all this.

[graham59]

3 hours ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

Religious missionaries and preachers

That's his best bet.

All kinds of (foreigner) brainwashing lunatics wandering the country appear to be tolerated. 

(You also get to travel free on public transport, as me and my mate found out many years ago, when we were slightly pissed and decided to try out as 'priests' when buying train tickets in Bicol  ).

Probably inspired by these two reprobates...

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Edited May 29, 2020 by graham59

[Snowy79]

I think he's onto a loser with renting out his condo as he has to set up a company and for his condo it's a 40% limit for foreign control.  He's hardly going to set up a corporation to comply either. Looks like he's screwed unless he has some super qualification that's required 

[Mike J]

9 hours ago, graham59 said:

All kinds of (foreigner) brainwashing lunatics wandering the country appear to be tolerated. 

Hey there - I am one of those foreigner missionaries,but on a 13A visa, and have found friendship and acceptance from a warm and loving people.   So I guess I score 2 out of 4?   On a more serious note, I agree that some here are doing more bad than good, at least in my opinion.   I wanted to pull your leg a little bit and it also gives me the opportunity to show my wife "in action" working with youth here. 

 

[graham59]

Sorry, but I do not approve of or sympathise with any religious brainwashing ...especially of young children. No 'half-ways' with me.

I suppose the Phils is one of the last bastions of such primitive nonsense though.

I hope this doesn't make me an  'evil' person.

[GeoffH]

On 5/28/2020 at 7:53 PM, fillipino_wannabe said:

Everything I've read says they'd let you in if you're married to a Filipino, not actually with a marriage visa? I think they'd let you in on a Balikbayan if you're with your wife but could be wrong.

As far as I've read that's true however if the OP is in country with his wife then he'll be allowed to leave but I don't think she's allowed to leave.

Which I think means that he couldn't enter as a Blaikbayan because she wouldn't be with him (unless the wife is already outside of the country which doesn't seem to be the case here).

 

[graham59]

2 minutes ago, GeoffH said:

As far as I've read that's true however if the OP is in country with his wife then he'll be allowed to leave but I don't think she's allowed to leave.

Which I think means that he couldn't enter as a Blaikbayan because she wouldn't be with him (unless the wife is already outside of the country which doesn't seem to be the case here).

 

That was my thought on this too.