Bar Girls

[Inspector]

For the pinays on the site...barboys

[Inspector]

I'm not a saint, but is this place turning into a sex monger site? :SugarwareZ-037:

I'm confused as to why you're confused.....

I'm confused at why you are confused at my confused confusion as the confusion is of no confusion regarding your bargirls non confusion due to a confused country, but it is confusing when a confused link is removed for containing confused nudes, while the warlord links a confusing confusion of mongering confirmation on a confusing signature. :any-help:BTW, agree with your non confusing post.... some men are so lucky that the Philippines is so messed up.... allowing this situation, for them to "help" those poor bargirls make it? :any-help:The link in this post directs members to a site that includes profanity and possibly other adult content, do not click on the link if you do not wish to read or see that type of item.

Just to add...the said link that directs members to a site that includes profanity and possibly other adult content, as did warlords signature, is not the sole beliefs of this said poster, as I am only a messenger to this site that has another viewpoint of bargirls and what goes on with some of what he describes as sexpats. I do not know any of these expats he mentions, nor do I condone his stalking methods. Just suggesting that there are always two sides of the sex industry...the bad, and the very ugly. :541: Edited November 1, 2010 by Inspector

[roy2cebu]

Bloody Hell!When I initiated this topic was hoping my 'essay' could be 'read between the lines'. Was trying to put a sympathetic view to the girls' situation and wondered if anyone had the same view. Elsewhere they have been labelled whores, etc.Now we have a situation where another member puts in a link...which is readily available anyway on the lower part of this forums home page about nitelife...no condemnation or warning there from admin.And I didn't see any reference to sexpats, any mentioned names or evidence of stalking in that members post.Joking apart...I am seriously confused how this has gone.Maybe we could , if worthwhile now, see if there is any sympathy to the girls', as I hoped to convey at the start.If not, so be it.

[Mr Lee]

Bloody Hell!When I initiated this topic was hoping my 'essay' could be 'read between the lines'. Was trying to put a sympathetic view to the girls' situation and wondered if anyone had the same view. Elsewhere they have been labelled whores, etc.Now we have a situation where another member puts in a link...which is readily available anyway on the lower part of this forums home page about nitelife...no condemnation or warning there from admin.And I didn't see any reference to sexpats, any mentioned names or evidence of stalking in that members post.Joking apart...I am seriously confused how this has gone.Maybe we could , if worthwhile now, see if there is any sympathy to the girls', as I hoped to convey at the start.If not, so be it.

Roy I have a lot of sympathy for the girls who have to lower themselves to that type of life and I think the Philippine government is mostly at fault because of so much corruption that the money never seems to make it down to the poor, while the rich get richer. I only pray that there is a heaven and a hell and that those who take money off the top, so that it never reaches the poor, end up in hell.  The only problem is that I think hell will overflow.As I have said before I am no prude and I would prefer them showing their bodies to having to have sex with strangers who I am told often ask them to do unspeakable things, but I also have sympathy for the many Filipinos who seem to scratch out a living without doing those things. I know of one particular young lady who ended up as a GRO rather than a housekeeper and got herself pregnant and did not have to go to work at all except for the drive of the families for the kids to bring home the bacon to support the parent or parents. This young ladies parent was not poor by the true meaning of the word, and far from starving since her brothers and sisters were already working and sending money home, so to me it is the family pressure that might be more at fault for many of those ladies doing what they do rather than having to do it to survive, but what do I know. Yet the one thing I do know is that I would rather work 2 jobs as I have had to do many times during my life, rather than do something illegal and my guess is that many of those ladies also might have other choices but they could not make as much money doing them, and that is a world wide problem and not just with the Philippines since I have known others who refused to take minimum wage jobs because they felt it was beneath them.  Oh and at this time Warlord is allowed a signature link but I believe it was the content of his link that upset Inspector and it has since been changed.

[Inspector]

Bloody Hell!When I initiated this topic was hoping my 'essay' could be 'read between the lines'. Was trying to put a sympathetic view to the girls' situation and wondered if anyone had the same view. Elsewhere they have been labelled whores, etc.Now we have a situation where another member puts in a link...which is readily available anyway on the lower part of this forums home page about nitelife...no condemnation or warning there from admin.And I didn't see any reference to sexpats, any mentioned names or evidence of stalking in that members post.Joking apart...I am seriously confused how this has gone.Maybe we could , if worthwhile now, see if there is any sympathy to the girls', as I hoped to convey at the start.If not, so be it.

Well, that was Travelers opinion that they are all whores, and in all honesty some people might also have that view. It's just an opinion, and while the situation is too broad to paint, as each case is different....weather the girl, or the area, selling your body is not something I would approve of if it was my daughter. Now, as I said...I could care less about bargirls and believe they should legalize it in America ....just giving my opinion as that seems to be what you are asking for....and that opinion might not be approval from you. Sorry, but your article was not so bad and some may agree with it, as I can..... I only had an issue about a link to a site that does indeed contain the infamous trike patrol porns from Angeles City and some very hardcore usage of pinays, vs a VERY strange french guys obsession to out a few expats as sexpats...and while I do NOT approve of this guys methods, he does have some actual facts on that site, along with his slandering bullshet. Yes, this country has a LOT of bargirls, and bikini bars...as do many third world poor countries...but I was in Subic Bay in the Navy during it's infamous sexual disneyland days, and Jake can attest that most of these girls were looking for a ticket to the USA...and there was a reason they were called LBFM's ....as said, I aint no saint, but to say they are all doing this because of the situation is not giving props to the side of the girls who are poor, and yet...NOT becoming bargirls. Should we not give them some credit for having what some would call morals, vs those who make a choice to do what SOME people would consider degrading? Would you want your daughter selling herself, or your son pimping?

[Inspector]

Bloody Hell!When I initiated this topic was hoping my 'essay' could be 'read between the lines'. Was trying to put a sympathetic view to the girls' situation and wondered if anyone had the same view. Elsewhere they have been labelled whores, etc.Now we have a situation where another member puts in a link...which is readily available anyway on the lower part of this forums home page about nitelife...no condemnation or warning there from admin.And I didn't see any reference to sexpats, any mentioned names or evidence of stalking in that members post.Joking apart...I am seriously confused how this has gone.Maybe we could , if worthwhile now, see if there is any sympathy to the girls', as I hoped to convey at the start.If not, so be it.

Roy I have a lot of sympathy for the girls who have to lower themselves to that type of life and I think the Philippine government is mostly at fault because of so much corruption that the money never seems to make it down to the poor, while the rich get richer. I only pray that there is a heaven and a hell and that those who take money off the top, so that it never reaches the poor, end up in hell. The only problem is that I think hell will overflow.As I have said before I am no prude and I would prefer them showing their bodies to having to have sex with strangers who I am told often ask them to do unspeakable things, but I also have sympathy for the many Filipinos who seem to scratch out a living without doing those things. I know of one particular young lady who ended up as a GRO rather than a housekeeper and got herself pregnant and did not have to go to work at all except for the drive of the families for the kids to bring home the bacon to support the parent or parents. This young ladies parent was not poor by the true meaning of the word, and far from starving since her brothers and sisters were already working and sending money home, so to me it is the family pressure that might be more at fault for many of those ladies doing what they do rather than having to do it to survive, but what do I know. Yet the one thing I do know is that I would rather work 2 jobs as I have had to do many times during my life, rather than do something illegal and my guess is that many of those ladies also might have other choices but they could not make as much money doing them, and that is a world wide problem and not just with the Philippines since I have known others who refused to take minimum wage jobs because they felt it was beneath them. Oh and at this time Warlord is allowed a signature link but I believe it was the content of his link that upset Inspector and it has since been changed.

It was the writing UNDER the now changed link that said...nude pinays ect. Julz seen that and questioned what that was all about...and then I asked if this site was becoming a sexpat site in the post.It had NOTHING to do with bargirl discussions.

[roy2cebu]

Aaah! Now I understand...points taken. Phew!

[Art2ro]

The expression or description of "bar girls" came from Kanos (Americans and other foreigners). In my days in the late 60s, they were referred to as hostesses or waitresses (not necessarily your typical bad girl stereo types, some are decent young girls maybe under age or desperate women just making an honest living to feed their family) to your average Filipinos no matter what or where eating and or drinking establishments they worked in other than your known local typical brothels with your pimps(bugaws) and their tricks (putas-whores) which really makes a difference somewhat to the eyes of the beholders! So, some respect is due and as not to label Filipino women in general just because one sees them working in bars and or sub par eating establishments in bad parts of modern cities, small towns or provinces! Anyways, this topic of bar girls has already been beaten to death over and over, let's give it a rest! Everyone knows how the story goes!

[roy2cebu]

Hi Fil/Amart,sorry for raising the topic. I'm a newish member here and have obviously missed long time ago posts that have beaten the subject to death. My experience in the Philippines isn't that extensive. I'm not a resident there...just been visiting on and off for a few years...maybe with a view to 50/50 live here and there, then permanent there when finances allow.Sorry for being inexperienced, trying to contribute here and boring you old, experienced timers to death.

[No name]

Hi Fil/Amart,sorry for raising the topic. I'm a newish member here and have obviously missed long time ago posts that have beaten the subject to death. My experience in the Philippines isn't that extensive. I'm not a resident there...just been visiting on and off for a few years...maybe with a view to 50/50 live here and there, then permanent there when finances allow.Sorry for being inexperienced, trying to contribute here and boring you old, experienced timers to death.

Roy, there was nothing wrong your post.There are a lot of people here that never post and are very new to the idea of expat life. I saved your article. I intend to write about it as well. I saved it for a reminder. I've lived her solid for three years except for my three days out of the country. You didn't bore me.I know a few bar girls. I try to talk to them about it but they don't want to talk. I don't know them as bar girls. They don't want me to know that side of them. They want to be normal Filipina when they talk with me. That's what a LOTt of them want. I have a hard time picturing the friends I know doing that kind of work. Dancing they way I've seen girls working in AC dance. I have a hard time picturing on girl that I'm somewhat close to doing that. I'm sure she does but I don't even want to see HER doing that. (I've only seen it in video. I've never been to AC. I've never even been to Lonestar in Cebu City or any other bikini bar. Though I do plan on correctly that mistake before much longer. Sorry to those that already labeled me as a sexpat. I think I just shattered that. :bash: )I've seen how things can turn hostile in a forum. I know it doesn't feel very good.Forums are notorious for that. There is a lot of proving I know more than you do going on in all of them. Don't let them get to you. Not everyone agrees with the moaning over you post. I'd be you 100 that a few people clicked that forum title because they saw it had an attachment and hoped to see pictures. They just wont say so.Last time I was here, i thought, I'm letting people get to me. No more. I wont engage in it any more. I'm gonna be positive. Or I'm gonna shut my mouth.. I will say that I don't understand why someone thinks what they like dislike is better than what someone else likes and dislikes. Its not better!