Mike S Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) If this becomes law it COULD make a lot of changes to the way you treat your parents-in-law ..... not sure just how this will effect foreigners married to Pilipinas ..... but it could be an eye opener as it doesn't say natural children ...... just a thought .... tried to open the like but as usual it won't open for me so I could not read the whole story ..... Edited April 2, 2012 by Mike S 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted April 2, 2012 Forum Support Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) If this bill (House Bill No 2295) were to be passed into law Filipino family members could demand support and a place to live from their children or grand children!"a parent or senior citizen or elderly can file an application for financial support against his children or grandchildren or other relatives within the fourth degree of consanguinity."Links to news story's;http://ph.news.yahoo...badonment-.htmlLink to Philippine Republic Official Gazette;http://www.gov.ph/20...ens-from-abuse/Link (PDF) to actual bill in Congress;http://www.congress...._15/HB02295.pdf Edited April 2, 2012 by Old55 Removed that expats could be extorted 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike S Posted April 2, 2012 Author Posted April 2, 2012 As I read it it is ONLY the parents who can demand such care ..... thank god it is not ALL family members ..... YET ..... my asawa's mother is 2 years younger than me ..... so I would be the oldest of the immediate family members ..... and I have no plans to ask them to support me ..... :cheersty: ...... besides her family doesn't live in poverty anyway ..... but I can see this as a way for some Pilipinos to send their daughters out to marry a rich kano so he will HAVE to support them ...... and you are very right it will be a game changer for a lot of expats and for those expats in the future ..... I can see this becoming a BIG deterrent for marriages to Pilipinas ....... especially to younger girls where the period of support could be MUCH longer ...... it will be very interesting ..... IMHO 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 I believe a law like this would cause a lot of foreigners to leave the Philippines. The Government forcing you to share your money with other people, isn't that what Socialist countries do? Sharing or giving should be voluntary and not required by law.How long before we know if this is made law? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave Hounddriver Posted April 2, 2012 Popular Post Posted April 2, 2012 isn't that what Socialist countries do? Sharing or giving should be voluntary and not required by law. I'm of mixed feeling. There is little or no government assistance here. In the west, the parents fall back on the social net (as mentioned in JJRs thread, about 70% do).Here, the parents raise the kids with no government assistance and it is expected that those same kids will take care of the parents with no government assistance. Where I have a problem with it is: What ever I give would never be enough, at least not in their opinion. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted April 2, 2012 Forum Support Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) isn't that what Socialist countries do? Sharing or giving should be voluntary and not required by law. I'm of mixed feeling. There is little or no government assistance here. In the west, the parents fall back on the social net (as mentioned in JJRs thread, about 70% do).Here, the parents raise the kids with no government assistance and it is expected that those same kids will take care of the parents with no government assistance. Where I have a problem with it is: What ever I give would never be enough, at least not in their opinion.Thankfully if this law were to push through it would not affect my wife and I.Ha ha, Americano the Republic of Philippines IS a socialist country. Edited April 2, 2012 by Old55 To correct factual error 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 What about forcing parents to take care of all the kids they make, that would be a good start. Maybe there is a law for that but its not enforced. Homeless and neglected kids are all over the Philippines begging for help. Why aren't their parents helping them? Kids are not even required to attend school, they are only required to register so the school can get money from the Government for each student if they attend school or not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashanti Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) The proposal wasn’t aimed to resident aliens/mix marriages but to Filipinos, though it is certainly open to abuse and its wise of resident aliens to be wary especially if they have dodgy filipino extended families.You would be surprised how many Filipinos who doesn’t have moral conscience and conveniently forgotten their roots and the sacrifices made by their parents in order to give them a better life. This proposal is not just sudden as there were a lot of chattering about the social change in PI and how children are ungrateful in social networks by Filipinos both at home and abroad.Personally, I don’t agree with the proposal although I have a strong sympathy. Moral conscience is not something you can regulate and it must come from within. It is also hypocritical of the government to drive such a law when PI has buggered all social care programme. I can see this proposal open to so much abuse and its always those that already have a moral conscience that most of the time that crop out. But the people that neglect their obligations to their parents get scotch free. Just look at the regulated moral conscience in the West, ie UKs child support agency. The ratio of the agency going after the fathers that already contributed to their fair share of their children’s upkeep is way too high to those fathers the agency chased up for neglecting their parental care. Why????????? Simple, its easy to chase those that you can see/present and much hard work if you have to find those disappearing fathers.The government is much better served to concentrate on feeding its hungry citizen, and finding work for the jobless instead of tinkering with moral conscience. If they are really concerned, they should reinforce the message in a kind of back to basic teachings in all schools and make it mandatory. They should take a leaf from the Catholic Church book. The church did not ostracise catholics who doesn’t follow the teaching but reinforce its message thru the church and other mediums. They did not tie the filipino hands but let them come out in their own free will. It certainly work as witness to the overflowing attendance at church mass…………. Edited April 2, 2012 by Ashanti 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted April 2, 2012 Forum Support Posted April 2, 2012 What about forcing parents to take care of all the kids they make, that would be a good start. Maybe there is a law for that but its not enforced. Homeless and neglected kids are all over the Philippines begging for help. Why aren't their parents helping them? Kids are not even required to attend school, they are only required to register so the school can get money from the Government for each student if they attend school or not.Great point Americano! The problem is the ruling family's who control the Government and Catholic Church in Philippines encourage poverty as it benefits their agenda. In a perfect world the parents would only have children they can support and save for the time they can no longer work. Removing any government monetary supports to older citizens by enacting a law to shame the children to support them is simply ingenious more money for them to "divert".Ashanti, I deeply respect your thoughtful answer. Well said sir! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 If this bill (House Bill No 2295) were to be passed into law it could be a very important game changer for all Expats married to any Filipino. A Filipino family member could demand support and a place to live from their children or grand children!"a parent or senior citizen or elderly can file an application for financial support against his children or grandchildren or other relatives within the fourth degree of consanguinity."Links to news story's;http://ph.news.yahoo...badonment-.htmlLink to Philippine Republic Official Gazette;http://www.gov.ph/20...ens-from-abuse/Link (PDF) to actual bill in Congress;http://www.congress...._15/HB02295.pdf I read the actual bill being proposed by the current 15th congress (thank you Dan). If my reading comprehension is correct, the foreigner married to the family is not affected or responsible. See section 3 D which defines familymembers responsible of taking care of their elderly. Anyway, this bill is just a proposal. There is an existing law already set in stone in their 1987 Constitution regardingthe welfare of every citizen. However, as Americano suggested -- it is not enforced. Throw in the church's influencesof selling millions of votes for their "chosen one", the only thing already developed (vs developing as a nation) is thewell lubricated corruption machine.Respectfully -- Jake 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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