Here's A Good One, I'm Broke ( So What Happens.)

[Jack Peterson]

if you are deported and don't have the funds to leave, your government is responsible to get you out of there.

 

Not according to the latest news I have from our local warden Bob The UK have totally Blocked Repatriation. I am going to take this up with the Senior Warden Tomorrow 

 

JP :tiphat:

[sonjack2847]

 

So now they will Deport me

 

Interesting point.  I have read of lots of 'deportation orders' being written but I have not heard of the BI actually paying for a ticket for someone to leave. Do they just throw them in a detention cell?

 

What I have heard is that they will put you in a cell until someone pays for you. This happened to a dutch man from Talisay city. His friends had to send money from abroad.

[sonjack2847]

 

if you are deported and don't have the funds to leave, your government is responsible to get you out of there.

 

Not according to the latest news I have from our local warden Bob The UK have totally Blocked Repatriation. I am going to take this up with the Senior Warden Tomorrow 

 

JP :tiphat:

 

I have also heard, or maybe I read it, that the UK will not pay.

[brock]

English guy has been in prison for 5 years without trial,and the British Embassy has done bugger all for him, Dont expect any help from the Embassy

[Thomas]

I believe that the Embassy will give you an emergency loan for the ticket (buy the ticket) and you have to pay them back. Then what happens when you get to the other end? Go on welfare? Live in homeless shelters? 

 

Yet another reason to have something in the US to fall back on that can't be touched by anyone but you.

The last I heared about Sweden is they pay the travel, but demand it back.  But I doubt they pay depts to let the prisoned out to leave.

What I have heard is that they will put you in a cell until someone pays for you.

Yes. I have heared of - but only from secondary sourse -  some foreigners have deportation verdict, but Phils don't let them out to be deported   :mocking: :1 (103):  because of e g unpaid VISA depts.

[Kuya John]

Wow Jack started a good thread here.

Let's look at it from a jihadist's point of view here in UK.

If they have a British passport they can come back here.

I believe if a person is found to be broke and homeless abroard, they are returned to their country, by government agreement's, once they have served any sentence for offences committed,

My question is, do the Philippines adhere to these agreements?

 

Having search the net, cannot find any info on this subject, only this....

Commonwealth act no; 613, (1940) sects; 37-38- 40

Edited March 27, 2015 by Kuya John

[BrettGC]

Any criminal can be returned to the the country they hold a passport in after they've served their sentence.  The question is, who pays?  I know Australia wouldn't in most circumstances, deportation costs are up to the country wanting to get rid of them if they can't finance themselves. The OP isn't about criminality though, it's about someone who is in a particular circumstance through yet-to-be-determined fault.  I know if I showed up at AusEmb Manila with that story, there'd be a lot of sympathetic head nodding but not much done until I was incarcerated by local authorities then consular services would kick in.  There's been a little bit of debate here in Australia in the last 18 months about who pays for repatriation in this situation, and the current government is of the mind that any expenses incurred by them would have to be eventually reimbursed by the party in question.  So, as it stands here, the jury, is quite literally out on these matters.    

 

So from an Australian perspective, yes, the government would pay but it wouldn't be a free ride.

[bows00]

If this happened for real, I would reply to the poster "sell your computer! And stop wasting money on the internet café!"

[i am bob]

If a person is told to leave the country, their own government may not help out as this is still on a personal level.  But if a person is forcibly removed from the country - as in the deportee has just finished a jail term for fraud and/or theft or worse - as an official Deportee, the Country of Passport is billed for the removal.  I believe that this is a UN function and billing is carried out through the UN.  Why?  There are only 3 countries in the world that bill the Country of Passport directly and they are non-UN members (Kosovo, Taiwan and Vatican City). As for an explanation to what forcibly removed is?  Simply kept in a holding until removed to go to the airport, escorted under guard to the airport and onto the aircraft, and sometimes even has an escort for the flight to the home country. Sometimes the in-flight escort is from the Country of Passport. The costs for "housing" and the escorts and incidentals involved are also billed to the home country.  

 

  :tiphat:

[Gator]

Fictional but could happen I guess.

 

I have overstayed now for 2 years, SNIP

 

So now they will Deport me. OK go Do it. But Where to and more importantly Who will pay?

 

So Campers What happens Now? 

 

You pay, don't count on any monetary assistance from your embassy

 

 

 

 

:hystery:  Bit late now my friend, I am in a Cell awaiting Deportation  :rolleyes:

Not quite sure you are reading into the Spirit of this  :unsure:  it is not a real Situation it is a What if,  the proverbial S...t hits the fan.

 

 

Jack, with all due respect, perhaps you should visit a local jail or prison (jail's here are where those awaiting trial are held - some for many many years - and prisons are where you are sent once convicted), you won't be making jokes about it afterwards.

 

 

the best thing that has happened since I got arrested a Roof and some Food

 

Do they provide food in prison?   I was under the impression that a family member brings you food when you are in jail.

 

 

Yes, they do provide food. Once a day you'll get a handful of "NFA" rice (inmates refer to it as "Not even Fit for Animals" rice) that's not been washed, so it's filled with grit and small stones. Plus you may get a few bits of dried fish or a spoonful of some type of greenish substance they call a vegetable. That's it.

 

Family members are allowed to bring in food and of course there's a black market cottage industry of inmates who will provide you with food, but naturally you need to pay (anywhere from 500-2000p per week is standard). No money = no food other then the crap the jail provides.

 

English guy has been in prison for 5 years without trial,and the British Embassy has done bugger all for him, Dont expect any help from the Embassy

 

Don't expect much help from any embassy. All they really do is make one phone call to someone back in your home country, they might bring in correspondence or packages (Manila only for the most part, otherwise they use a courier service and charge the family for it of course), supposedly ensure your human rights are not being violated (note that I used the term supposedly), and provide you with a list of local attorneys (who they may or may not contact one time on your behalf). Some might provide a small stipend when they visit; it amounts to 1,000p per month in the case of the Aussie embassy (they visit Cebu once per quarter and give 3k to their interred citizens).

 

I know about this because I've visited some of  jails here in Cebu several times with a friend who works for an NGO. During my visits I've been able to briefly talk with some of the foreign nationals and locals who are incarcerated there, and yes, some of them will exaggerate how bad things are there, but I've witnessed first hand numerous human rights violations. My friend has told me to keep my big mouth shut or they'll ban him from visiting, so I won't mention what organization he works for (several visit); as it is he has to regularly pay officials to gain access. Embassy officials are routinely made aware of the violations (to name a few: lack of/rationed drinking water, confined to cells 24/7, poor quality/extremely low nutritional value of food, lack of proper medical/dental care, poor sanitary conditions), but all they are told are basically two things: "We have no budget" and "We'll look into it". Of course nothing is done and Embassy's don't push (and rarely follow up on) the issues; mostly, I've been told, out of fear of reprisals against their citizens.

 

And I won't even delve into the corruption, that would fill up volumes.

 

In the case of an over stayer, they would be locked up until all relevant fines and fees are paid (they keep accruing during incarceration) AND, if a deportation order is issued, until a plane ticket is ready and waiting for the detainee. The Phil gov does not pay for it, it's up to detainee to get help on their own and in most cases their embassy will not pay for their ticket back home either.

Edited March 27, 2015 by Gator