hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tommy T. said: This is the first time I can agree with one of your comments, Terry... It is not totally realistic and I think it is also meant to be a bit sarcastic, but it works. There is some veracity to this... I tend to agree Tom, but as always the devil is in the detail. How about other voluntary vaccines - do we then refuse to treat those as well? And then, people who abuse their bodies with various substances - do we make them low priority too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Tommy T. Posted January 19, 2021 Forum Support Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, hk blues said: I tend to agree Tom, but as always the devil is in the detail. How about other voluntary vaccines - do we then refuse to treat those as well? And then, people who abuse their bodies with various substances - do we make them low priority too? Lots of issues to consider, HK... as you suggest. There are no simple answers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tommy T. said: Lots of issues to consider, HK... as you suggest. There are no simple answers... Sure Tom - it's a serious ethical issue and I doubt any particular policy change is going to be made anywhere anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, GeoffH said: I wouldn't refuse medical treatment to an unvaccinated individual but it would be a reasonable precaution to treat them with the assumption that they are covid positive and keep them isolated from other patients. Excuse my assumption if I'm wrong Geoff but I believe you may come from a medical background. If so you have taken the Hippocratic oath An honourable commitment which sets a standard for your attitude towards care. My belief is regardless of how the patient contracted an illness or the character of the person they all recieve the same level of care You would not think any differently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, TerryP said: My belief is regardless of how the patient contracted an illness or the character of the person they all recieve the same level of care Unfortunately, Terry, the level of care is much more dependant on financial status than anything else - especially so here in the Philippines where the contrast is stark compared to let's say the UK. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, hk blues said: Unfortunately, Terry, the level of care is much more dependant on financial status than anything else - especially so here in the Philippines where the contrast is stark compared to let's say the UK. Budgets are not the control of the people on the front line. Indeed ability to pay is not within their remit They react and provide the best care available with the resources at hand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Explorer said: Speaking about bets, many years ago I made a bet and invested heavily in the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries, these bets paid off, I was able to retire early and until today they throw monthly dividends into my bank account, so keep up the good work, the beneficiaries of my inheritance are thanking you from the bottom of their heart... Really!!! Perhaps you shareholders can get a buy one get one free offer Check it out explorer I'll buy both of you and contribute to your beneficiaries further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Tommy T. said: This is the first time I can agree with one of your comments, Terry... It is not totally realistic and I think it is also meant to be a bit sarcastic, but it works. There is some veracity to this... Heavily weighted with sarcasm Tommy that's true. But the reverse is certainly happening right now Other vital treatments being shelved or delayed. I point to Dave houndrivers post As to my comment about travel a vaccine passport is a very real possibility so what is wrong with those with no vaccination being unable to travel It's been mentioned on here by myself and others about the yellow fever pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, TerryP said: Budgets are not the control of the people on the front line. Indeed ability to pay is not within their remit They react and provide the best care available with the resources at hand That wasn't my point at all. You said all should receive the same level of care regardless - that's not how it works with healthcare here and indeed in many countries. Ability to pay most certainly is in the remit of front line workers - try getting treatment here with no cash and you won't get past the receptionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, hk blues said: That wasn't my point at all. You said all should receive the same level of care regardless - that's not how it works with healthcare here and indeed in many countries. Ability to pay most certainly is in the remit of front line workers - try getting treatment here with no cash and you won't get past the receptionist. I know what you are saying HK and agreed I wasn't including receptionists or any other administration in front line staff. They do not take the Hippocratic oath I'm aware ability to pay is the major factor as to the extent of care you receive in the Philippines as in other countries that's not a nurse or doctors decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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